illinoisburt
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I have occasionally found some nicely mushroomed hotcor bullets separated from the jacket when digging the berm so would not call them bonded. Still they have always worked without issue hunting.
Bonded vs monolithic bullets.
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troy fairweather
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I'm not real worried if the jacket separates, that's just one more thing to help kill the animal.
mcb
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I agree but its seems we are in a minority. Most people seem to think a jacket separation is a failure for a variety of reasons.
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troy fairweather
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ya funny how they will say it failed after they cut up the animal it's killed.
It's a nice thing if the core stays in the jacket, or there's not to much meat damage. But I figured it's better to damage some meat then have a higher risk of losing the animal, there's nothing worse then that. I do like a bullet to exit, guys say it's wasting energy but at least there will be a better blood trail if the bullet did fail in some way.
I like blood trails too short to be useful
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troy fairweather
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Wish I still had the video, I shot a big doe with a interbond from a 243 one time. She was quartered to me about 30 yards, just as I pulled the trigger she stepped. Just missed the shoulder, but lung and lever. You would not believe the blood trail this deer made, it was like a 2 foot spray on both sides. Some how she ran about 75 yards.I like blood trails too short to be useful
When I was field dressing it, there was no blood left and the meat looked gray.
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Garandimal
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If you don't intend to overstress them, try the new Speer GS.
They're ~ 50% more expensive than HC, but that's $0.20 v. $0.30 ea.
This is a 140 gr. 6.5mm GS for the Swede:
Now it's GS for both, unless I need something special.
Also like having just one all-purpose load to learn/ rifle.
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Heck, IF you aren't going to over stress the bullet, why pay more for GS's?
In that case, plain old Hot Cores perform just as well!
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In that case, plain old Hot Cores perform just as well!
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A high BC bonded seems the way to go for the 7 wsm still don't know abo U the nosler accubonds or adlr see guys like them but some guys have had problems. One problem I the bullet length, I'm limited with a 2.860 col or about that.
I have some 168 ablr from loonwulf but there way long and don't even know if they will stabilize. Believe there is a 150 ablr that could work good.
i need to look more info the federal bullets, there bc looks ok.
are there any other slick bonded 7mm bullets im forgetting.
I have some 168 ablr from loonwulf but there way long and don't even know if they will stabilize. Believe there is a 150 ablr that could work good.
i need to look more info the federal bullets, there bc looks ok.
are there any other slick bonded 7mm bullets im forgetting.
So with this info in mind, I'll throw in that a 150 gr btip, loaded with multiple powders (varget, either of the h/i 4831s, imr 4350, hunter, imr 8208xbr etc) that will get you a launch speed of 2800-2900 fps will still keep you in the zone to 500 yds and not splash at 50+yds, if you are wanting a lighter faster bullet, I'd go bonded, as the speed at 4-500 will be the bottom end of where I trust a mono. They other option would be to go a touch heavier, the 154 sst, 162 sst/eldx, etc and you'd have little worry either way, I like the 162 ELDS for my LONG, long range stuff, but swap out for the 139 sst 350 yds or less lopesploders. The sst will get you downrange just fine and in the heavier weights at 2600-2900 you'll not have too much trouble up close, I'd personally run the 162 sst and giggle every time I pulled the trigger. The price is right especially for the ballistic performance you'll gain, just don't go too light/fast up close....not pretty.
Interbond and scirocco 2
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I still have the bad taste in my mouth from the old sst, but should try the newer ones. I'm kinda in two sides with bullet weight, the lighter bullets I can push faster but have less bc, which don't matter much under 400. The heavy have the bc advantage clearly, but I don't have much room and a short neck on the wsm.
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I have used the interbond in a 243, I liked them and they shot good. Have not used the scirocco 2 tho.
The 162 sst shouldn't give you fits with length and neck, and I hear you, seeing the light ssts in my brother's .338 soured me a bit, but really keeping impact velocity where it's meant to be (1600-2800) and taking shots appropriately with them yield good results, they are violent no doubt, but if you don't overexert them (too fast), you might be pleasantly surprised at how quickly they stop the show, gonna run tgks in my wsm I think, but for my stw, I'm going to try several critters with the ssts at multiple distances for data compilation, whitetail population needs reigned in anyway around here lol! Hopefully I can swap sst for eld without TOO much load/poi change lol.
Liking the swift's in the valkyrie, they do EVERYTHING as advertised, talked to Swift, they use pure copper instead of a mixed jacket.
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troy fairweather
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I'll have to maybe order some of them sample bullet packs. I'm ok on powder for now, having a pound of h1000 and imr 4350. But there's not much when it's shared between 4 rifles.
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The GS would perform fine at those ranges from those cartridges - except that the BC is not all that great.
Think of it more as a 30-06 or 7mm-08 bullet to 300 yards.
Or, for me, .270 WCF/150 gr. and 6.5x55/140 gr. to ~ 350.
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stillquietvoice
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Wouldn't a pure copper jacket be really soft. I used the 90 HR scriocco 1 in 243 win. real explosive at 75 yds. Gave me one shot drt kills, but real destructive. I never tried the scriocco 2's.
mcb
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That would depend on, if and when, in the drawing process they annealed the copper cups. They might be full hard or nearly dead soft or any where in between. Hopefully the hardness of the jackets is selected to match the use.
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troy fairweather
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Ya it's softer,
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