CarJunkieLS1
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Inside the house a short 12 gage with buckshot is my #1 choice. My wife won't shoot it because of recoil, so if her 357 mag won't get it done she will use the Ruger PC Carbine loaded with 147 Ranger +p.
9mm HP vs 223 FMJ
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Garandimal
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Academics - are great for faculty lounges.
Did you watch this vid?
Again, Academic.
Threats can occur in... and around... the home.
Once a deadly threat is determined, that threat exists until neutralized, or is no longer a reasonable threat.
An armed assailant, shooting at you, that stops shooting and lowers his firearm - is still a threat.
Turns and runs? Still a threat, as he could be running for cover to continue the assault.
You hear a noise at night, chase an intruder outside, and find Three thugs - One spraypainting obscenities, Two lighting your house on fire, Three holding a gun and pointing it at you.
Suprise!
GR
No. LAW.
Yes.
Is no longer an imminent threat.
Yes.
BIG mistake.
In many of the actual incidents that have been discussed here in the last dozen years. the guy with the gun has killed or severely injure the defender who was unwise enough to go outside at night to investigate the noise.
In one case in Texas, the defender went outside, was stabbed with a knife and disarmed, and had an arm shot off.
Arson and graffiti? What a fertile imagination!
Garandimal
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So the actual Threat, that has engaged you and then lowers his weapon, is not an imminent threat?
Nor is the actual threat, that has engaged you, but takes cover to continue the assault?
My home - extends to my property line, as well as my automobile.
Suggest you start a legal advice thread.
This one is RE: most appropriate choice of weapon.
I have given mine.
Your academic obfuscations and canards are a distraction.
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I fired 230 grain "45acp hollow points" out of my black powder rifle at around 2,400 fps.
They were still deadly.
Don't worry about shooting a 9mm "too fast".
Hear noise, don't go outside?
Yeah that's a great idea and just hope they aren't trying to burn your house down?
They were still deadly.
Don't worry about shooting a 9mm "too fast".
Hear noise, don't go outside?
Yeah that's a great idea and just hope they aren't trying to burn your house down?
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But neither means that the continued use deadly force would necessarily be justified. Others may not judge that its use had been reasonably necessary, if you had cover and concealment.
Shooting at someone who has left the house is not prudent. It would make it much easier to disprove a self defense claim than if he intruder had broken stuff to get in and was sill inside.
You may not shoot unless you have to.
You may not shoot to minimize the number of holes in the siding.
People who shoot outdoors risk several other criminal charges, such as public endangerment.
The defender might well start out as a good guy, and lose that status very quickly.
One just might some out okay, minus a whole lot money.
Or not.
They also do everything possible to avoid the use of deadly force.
You introduced the "distraction" when you supported your choice by mentioning its long range as an asset in HD.
It sounds as if you are thinking of "gunfights" of the kind we see in screen fiction.
I did not say that.
If he actually continues the assault, he remains an imminent threat. But if not, no.
But neither means that the continued use deadly force would necessarily be justified. Others may not judge that its use had been reasonably necessary, if you had cover and concealment.
Shooting at someone who has left the house is not prudent. It would make it much easier to disprove a self defense claim than if he intruder had broken stuff to get in and was sill inside.
You may not shoot unless you have to.
You may not shoot to minimize the number of holes in the siding.
People who shoot outdoors risk several other criminal charges, such as public endangerment.
The defender might well start out as a good guy, and lose that status very quickly.
One just might some out okay, minus a whole lot money.
Or not.
These are not "academic obfuscations and canards".. Responsible gun owners who want to remain free and uninjured take great pains to learn these subjects.
They also do everything possible to avoid the use of deadly force.
You introduced the "distraction" when you supported your choice by mentioning its long range as an asset in HD.
It sounds as if you are thinking of "gunfights" of the kind we see in screen fiction.
tactikel
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5.56 no question. if you are fighting for your life you want the most effective weapon you can get. When you are amped up you won't feel the recoil or hear the muzzle blast.
I asked a friend who is retired SWAT officer this very question years ago. He responded he would never swap his M4 for any pistol cartridge platform.
I asked a friend who is retired SWAT officer this very question years ago. He responded he would never swap his M4 for any pistol cartridge platform.
Yes, that's the idea.and just hope they aren't trying to burn your house down?[/QUOTE]
We have had numerous threads on this over the years.
In actual events, those who have gone outside have usually regretted doing so, or their survivors have,
Don't you think that your chances of getting shot would be far, far higher than those of encountering arsonists who would elect to not shoot you?
That means nothing regarding permanent noise induced hearing loss.
FL-NC
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In military combat, participants are potentially and often engaged on the way to, at, and on the way back from their objective, often from hundreds of yards away, and with everything from handguns to mortars and RPGs, not to mention various surprises that may explode at any time. They may be clearing a particular building, and at the same time be engaged from an automatic weapon a block away. This is vastly different from any forseeable "home defense" scenario that members of this forum may find themselves in- at least I hope so. So therefore, in a place like Fallujah or Keating, a PCC would not be desirable.
As for me and the fellows I worked with, we nearly always were wearing Peltor com-tacs on missions, slaved into our comms gear. If you look at my avatar photo, I am wearing a set, just prior to departing on a mission. They protected our hearing and insured we could communicate when things got loud. There were a few instances where "things happened" and I wasn't wearing mine. The effects were very painful and "stunning". This, of course, decreased our overall effectiveness at the times and places when and where these things happened- not good. I suffer hearing loss and tinitus to this day from it. Last night I took my temp (I think I may have caught the kung-flu) and Mrs. FL- NC across the room told me the thermometer in my mouth was beeping. I couldn't hear it. And I never will, unless I get hearing aids.
Is the 223/5.56 ballistically superior to the 9mm out of any platform? Absolutely. And if I lived on a larger piece of remote property in South Texas instead of the modest 1 acre lot where I reside in a subdivision in Fl, I would probably keep a 5.56 AR ready for use. Along with a set of Peltors, which hopefully I would have the time to put on, should the need arise. But that isn't what is going on. So in a fight confined to a smaller enclosed space, I would prefer the PCC or a handgun (both of which will still rock your world if fired without ear pro, just not as bad as a rifle). The PCC's have been proven effective in these situations countless times, based on the effectiveness of SMGS like the WW2 era tommy gun up to the present day MP5. UMP, and others. Think about it- the PCCs will usually be simpler for less expereinced shooters (like Mrs. Fl-NC) to effectively utilize, and they are sending the same rounds used in modern handguns at the threat- except they are moving faster, and potentially with more accuracy, control, and capacity than from an actual handgun.
As always, use what you like and shoot best. And be aware of you local laws. The law is the law and your opinion there of means nothing. Do as you see fit and be prepared to accept the consequences.
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