The class is 4 hours and it covers much more than the legalities.
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The class is 4 hours and it covers much more than the legalities.
Go to the WinCo in Garland. I see someone open carrying there every time I go.
I see people who practice open carry almost every trip into the Dallas metromess. My wife who can be standing right beside me never sees it. Most people are too absorbed in their phone to pay attention to what's going on around them.
I keep my head on a swivel and eyeball everyone. I follow General Mattis's advice.
Be polite, be professional, and have a plan to kill everybody you meet.
I'm amazed at how little most people are unaware of what's going on around them.
Boarhunter
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Open carry is good law; open carry is bad strategy.
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Terry G
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Open carry has been legal here forever. Under LEOSA I can pretty much carry everywhere. Unless I'm hiking, the gun stay's concealed. I don't want or need the attention. I'm not saying most people are doing it for attention, but a lot are. If you open carry your head must be on a swivel constantly. It's the only way your safe. I prefer the "Grey Man" look.
aarondhgraham
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When Oklahoma legalized open carry I was delighted,,,
Now I wouldn't have to sweat an accidental exposure getting me a "brandishing" citation.
I did open carry for the first few weeks though,,,
But try as I might I could not get comfortable with it.
I felt as if I was wearing a "club me from behind and steal my gun" sign.
I'm just happy I can now carry with minimal concealment.
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Now I wouldn't have to sweat an accidental exposure getting me a "brandishing" citation.
I did open carry for the first few weeks though,,,
But try as I might I could not get comfortable with it.
I felt as if I was wearing a "club me from behind and steal my gun" sign.
I'm just happy I can now carry with minimal concealment.
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PWC
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The last time I saw OC was just before the virus lockdown. Safeway in north Phoenix; guy was way over 300 lbs (I'm 270), had a shoulder holster over a GI green tee shirt with camo pants with baggy pockets.Gun looked to be one of the larger long barrel .44 mags. He also had a large Bowie knife that would make my K Bar a midget.
Looked rediculous, didn't do the shooting community any good. I shook my head and walled away witn my CC IWB.
Looked rediculous, didn't do the shooting community any good. I shook my head and walled away witn my CC IWB.
Arkansas Paul
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I don't open carry, but certainly don't think it should be prohibited.
In central Arkansas, I see it once every couple months or so is all.
I certainly see advantages of it, the main one being comfort. Carrying inside the waistband is not comfortable, at least for a big boy like me (5'7" and 230 pounds).
I usually pocket carry, but that limits me to a lesser caliber weapon.
I'm considering getting a subcompact, and carrying OWB with a sport coat when dressed business casual. When I'm dressed casual, I could choose longer shirts and just go untucked most of the time.
In central Arkansas, I see it once every couple months or so is all.
I certainly see advantages of it, the main one being comfort. Carrying inside the waistband is not comfortable, at least for a big boy like me (5'7" and 230 pounds).
I usually pocket carry, but that limits me to a lesser caliber weapon.
I'm considering getting a subcompact, and carrying OWB with a sport coat when dressed business casual. When I'm dressed casual, I could choose longer shirts and just go untucked most of the time.
.455_Hunter
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I generally OC only on private property or public lands like NF, BLM, or back trail NP.
OC people who bring an AR into Starbucks on a single point chest rig do not do the shooting community any favors.
OC people who bring an AR into Starbucks on a single point chest rig do not do the shooting community any favors.
Did it change time wise?
The last one I took I believe was an all day Saturday class. I’ve been doing online renewal ever since.
Ramone
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Here in Tidewater, we've got some pretty urban areas, but lots of rural space as well. Where I live in Norfolk, it's not unusual to see someone open carrying, but I wouldn't call it common. I guess the best word would be 'unremarkable'- literally, no one remarks on it.
I like it, compared to NY or FL, both places I've lived and carried concealed. I carry concealed most of the time, but it's nice to be able to take off my cover garment ( usually a khaki work shirt, in buttoned and untucked) when I'm walking my dog down the beach on a warm muggy morning.
I like it, compared to NY or FL, both places I've lived and carried concealed. I carry concealed most of the time, but it's nice to be able to take off my cover garment ( usually a khaki work shirt, in buttoned and untucked) when I'm walking my dog down the beach on a warm muggy morning.
Charlie98
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I have to hammer this into my daughter's head. I've broken her from looking at her phone while driving (after she totaled out my wife's truck, and then had to pay the difference when our insurance went up...) but I have to constantly impress upon her to be looking around, and not walk around with her head stuck in her phone. An incident occurred to her while driving, right after the 'protests' started... someone pulled up behind her in traffic, got out of his car, and started yelling at the top of his lungs about injustice and such. She relayed afterwards she had already planned her 'out' with the truck if he started to approach her... even if it was right up in between two other cars at the light. Maybe dad was right all these years..., eh?
Old Dog
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Annndddd nowwww! ... a new THR record: it took 11 posts before:
I live on Puget Sound, but spend a great deal of time in central and Eastern Washington. Especially out in the hills and woods, I see some areas where open carry is frequently noted and absolutely unremarked upon by anyone.
However, in my local town (pop. 14,000-something), open carry is not uncommon, even though the creeping liberalism of the Seattle area is starting to infest the few formerly conservative W. WA counties ...
Let's wait and see if someone can come up with some documented accounts to back that up ...
I live on Puget Sound, but spend a great deal of time in central and Eastern Washington. Especially out in the hills and woods, I see some areas where open carry is frequently noted and absolutely unremarked upon by anyone.
However, in my local town (pop. 14,000-something), open carry is not uncommon, even though the creeping liberalism of the Seattle area is starting to infest the few formerly conservative W. WA counties ...
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There are several occasions that I can point to where a OC'er was targeted because they were OC'ing. From being robbed, gun grabbed, to being shot and/or shot and killed with their own gun. Not to far fetched to assume that if an armed robber, etc walked in and seen an OC'er that the OC'er would instantly be singled out.
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Here's my standard Open Carry post.
While I fully support your right to open carry as you see fit it's certainly not something I'm interested in doing because IME it invites people into my life that I don't want in my life.
I open carry at work because it's a requirement but what I've found is that all it really does is give people a reason to make stupid comments about my gun. I remember one idiot in particular who said literally the exact same words every time he saw me. "Here comes the guard,he's got a gun. Better watch out or he'll shoot you."
I've also read comments on various forums in which the poster took great pleasure in addressing an open carrier in public to either tell him what kind of an idiot he was or how grateful he was that the carrier was supporting the Second Amendment. I find both approaches to be incredibly annoying and if I can avoid that by not open carrying I will.
I'm not a cop but my job brings me into contact with some pretty sketchy people on a regular basis The one overwhelming characteristic I see among these people is that everyone E.V.E.R.Y.O.N.E they meet is a mark.
They try to get over on everyone they meet. They're absolutely convinced they're smarter than you and when they look at you the fact that you're openly armed is not a deal breaker. If it was open carriers would never have their weapons stolen. Your gun does not intimidate them in the slightest. If they can figure out away to take it off of you they will and if they can't they'll look for someone else.
I've told this story before but I went into a 7-11 to get a gas receipt for the company car one afternoon While I was in line a homeless guy walked through the door, took one look at me and got right in my face and yelled "I'm security around here expletive deleted". I was wearing body armor, carrying a taser, pepper spray and a gun and it didn't phase this guy one bit. On another occasion a tweaker tried to take my gun off me in a Kum&Go one night. If they weren't intimidated by me in full battle rattle I don't believe they'd hesitate an instant to go after the Taurus you're carrying in an Uncle Mike's.
I say this a lot because I'm absolutely convinced it's true but if you want to open carry by all means do so but you had better have a plan for WHEN someone tries to take it off you.
While I fully support your right to open carry as you see fit it's certainly not something I'm interested in doing because IME it invites people into my life that I don't want in my life.
I open carry at work because it's a requirement but what I've found is that all it really does is give people a reason to make stupid comments about my gun. I remember one idiot in particular who said literally the exact same words every time he saw me. "Here comes the guard,he's got a gun. Better watch out or he'll shoot you."
I've also read comments on various forums in which the poster took great pleasure in addressing an open carrier in public to either tell him what kind of an idiot he was or how grateful he was that the carrier was supporting the Second Amendment. I find both approaches to be incredibly annoying and if I can avoid that by not open carrying I will.
I'm not a cop but my job brings me into contact with some pretty sketchy people on a regular basis The one overwhelming characteristic I see among these people is that everyone E.V.E.R.Y.O.N.E they meet is a mark.
They try to get over on everyone they meet. They're absolutely convinced they're smarter than you and when they look at you the fact that you're openly armed is not a deal breaker. If it was open carriers would never have their weapons stolen. Your gun does not intimidate them in the slightest. If they can figure out away to take it off of you they will and if they can't they'll look for someone else.
I've told this story before but I went into a 7-11 to get a gas receipt for the company car one afternoon While I was in line a homeless guy walked through the door, took one look at me and got right in my face and yelled "I'm security around here expletive deleted". I was wearing body armor, carrying a taser, pepper spray and a gun and it didn't phase this guy one bit. On another occasion a tweaker tried to take my gun off me in a Kum&Go one night. If they weren't intimidated by me in full battle rattle I don't believe they'd hesitate an instant to go after the Taurus you're carrying in an Uncle Mike's.
I say this a lot because I'm absolutely convinced it's true but if you want to open carry by all means do so but you had better have a plan for WHEN someone tries to take it off you.
Old Dog
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@Styx
Okay, then -- let's see an account of an OC'er being the first one shot by the bad guy coming on the scene. Convenience store robbery, bank robbery ...
Not talking about the few cases where random OCers who were NOT employing quality retention holsters were targeted by young gang-bangers, we're all aware.
Okay, then -- let's see an account of an OC'er being the first one shot by the bad guy coming on the scene. Convenience store robbery, bank robbery ...
Not talking about the few cases where random OCers who were NOT employing quality retention holsters were targeted by young gang-bangers, we're all aware.
stillquietvoice
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Look up nys pistol permit law you will find that there is no category for hunting or target practicing. There are categories for FFL, gunsmith, law enforcement, judges, possession on premises, and for general carry, not valid in NYC unless an NYC permit is also held.
Corpral_Agarn
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I submit that if a 'right' can disappear quickly, it is a privilege.
I am a supporter of you Virginians and what you guys accomplished just a few months ago was inspiring. Fight on!
Hangingrock
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Here in this part of NC we get an influx of people from Ohio as an example passing thru on the way to the beaches. So at a Wendy's there is a young couple with a child. The young man is open carrying. We have an out of state person on their way to the beach scream "He Has A Gun"!!!!!!!! Panic people heading for the exits. Then an individual with a commanding voice states "Open Carry of a handgun is Legal In NC". Order is restored! That's what is problematic with open carry those whom are not knowledgeable of the law.
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My state has OC. I see it occasionally but wouldn’t say it’s common. I don’t open carry in town. I do in the back country because mostly where I’m at I don’t expect to see people and it’s matter of accessibility due to backpack/fishing gear etc. When I have run into folks on the trail (random hikers/backpackers/Outward Bound/NOLS etc.) I try to position myself were the gun is not immediately visible and strike up a conversation before they get close to put them at ease. For outfitters on horses I make sure they see me carrying before they get close.
Old dog...a quick search netted this.....logic would dictate the obvious danger of OC
https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/02/03/open-carrier-robbed-gun-virginia/
https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/02/03/open-carrier-robbed-gun-virginia/
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I haven't heard of one, but Im sure such cases exist. I know you have common sense and are a logical thinker. Surely you're not suggesting that if an armed criminal arrived at the scene of his soon to be crime that the civilian with a firearm clearly displayed would NOT be the primary target? Especially when there are several cases in the not to distant pass were OC'ers were directly targeted and rob of their firearm?
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Styx
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I had this discussion before. I listed that case and several others just like it. Some ended with the OC'er being assaulted, others ended fatally, some ended with only the theft of their firearm and no other violence...
I'm not against OC as long as it's done with common sense; however, OC clearly puts the carrier at more risk vs conceal carry. It's just something that has to be taken into account when a person OC. Then there are cases of swatting, scared citizens calling police, harassment from citizens and business owners, etc.
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Then there's the story of the conceal carrier who was robbed for is firearm in Wal-Mart. If I remember correctly, the conceal carrier very briefly flashed the grip of his gun, and the felon followed him into the bathroom where he, while unarmed, assaulted the conceal carrier, and ran off with his weapon.
Then there's the conceal carrier who was tackled by another customer inside Wal-Mart after the other customer saw the 62 year old conceal carrier "grabbed his handgun from his car and slipped it into a hip holster underneath his coat." The Wal-Mart shopper who tackled the man was inside the store when he seen this.
I remember the above story when it was first reported. This happened in Richmond, VA which is the same city the gun rally just took place. The man who had a CCW permit decided to open carry, he was targeted because of it, and was killed with his own gun.
Just four months ago...
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Old Dog
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This still doesn't have anything to do with the "shoot me first" comment I was responding to. But thank you ever so much for reminding me about that whole "quick search" thing. I am old, sometimes I forget stuff ...
"Obvious danger" of OC? Whatever. That's not what I was alluding to. Anyway, appearing to be unarmed may put one in "obvious danger." Life can be dangerous, wherever you are.
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