Dewey 68
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He's talking about the slide holding open when the magazine is empty.
9mm or .40 s&w
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Trunk Monkey
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Many 380Auto do not have last round hold open feature as they lack the slide lock lever.
It was one of many reasons why we decided on the TCP 738 along with being locked breech design using dual recoil springs.
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Same here... At the time, the main options were the original Ruger LCP (which was $300 then), the Kel Tec P3AT, and the Taurus 738 TCP. The TCP had the best price, came with two mags, had the better trigger, had a stainless steel slide option, and locked back on the last round. It was the better option out of the three IMHO.
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The best .380 is still a. 380
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I agree.
But the TCP 738 was bought as a "pocket back up" to Glock 27 and Shield 9mm.
And I prefer to carry Glock 23 with Glock 22 spare magazines.
JR24
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As a rule I prefer Ruger as a brand over Taurus from personal experience but what's better for you is largely subjective.
Agree.
But, all else being equal I prefer 9mm over .40, I don't find the terminal ballistic advantages in .40 overweigh the speed and east of hits, plus capacity advantages of 9mm.
YMMV, of course.
Agree.
But, all else being equal I prefer 9mm over .40, I don't find the terminal ballistic advantages in .40 overweigh the speed and east of hits, plus capacity advantages of 9mm.
YMMV, of course.
Garandimal
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Only hits count.
- Good hits count more.
- Bigger hits count more.
- More hits count more.
So, prefer the pistol you shoot the best, in the largest caliber for that application.
GR
I don't roll with subcompacts. The notion that velocity and energy "do not matter" is bunk. .40 is typically considerably more powerful and has better terminal effect. When shooting what I consider to be adequate rounds for 9mm out of a G19 (HST +p 124) I don't really notice any difference in recoil between that and a .40 HK USPc using for example 165gr win rangers.
I find .40 to be harder to shoot than .380 and either far harder than .22. However, more power is better, as demonstrated by hunting for a century. Wounds are not the be all/end all to effectiveness.
I practice more to shoot better as I notice that professionals seem unaffected by caliber or platform in terms of how well they shoot.
Having just watched that cop video where the man was shot in Eaton County- took 9 rounds to put him down. Believe it was a G17 or G19...ammo is of paramount importance but gel results are not dispositive. More power doesn't mean a guarantee, just increased likelihood
I find .40 to be harder to shoot than .380 and either far harder than .22. However, more power is better, as demonstrated by hunting for a century. Wounds are not the be all/end all to effectiveness.
I practice more to shoot better as I notice that professionals seem unaffected by caliber or platform in terms of how well they shoot.
Having just watched that cop video where the man was shot in Eaton County- took 9 rounds to put him down. Believe it was a G17 or G19...ammo is of paramount importance but gel results are not dispositive. More power doesn't mean a guarantee, just increased likelihood
JR24
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Except we don't have any objective, real world evidence that this is the case. Further, we still don't know (unless someone can verify, I can't find it) what caliber was used and how many of those shots were hits. Could have been a .40 or a .357, or a 9mm. Unlikely a .45 just looking at the video, but heck it could have been a 21 too.
From the Active Defense video it does look like he had blood on his shirt when he nearly contacted the officer, so those could have been body shots, but we also know he stabbed a man that day, so the blood could be from that.
Unless someone has an update with number/location of hits and caliber used we really can't draw any conclusions vis a vi caliber, except that depending on a single shot from a pistol is likely a poor idea.
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Have had three .40 S&W handguns: HK USP, Springfield Armory P9 (a copy of the CZ 75), and a Kahr CW40. None of them really impressed me all that much for a variety of reasons. A couple of them weren't all that accurate, two of them had ergonomic concerns, and one of them suffered from build quality problems. Handling was okay though some of the hotter .40 rounds were quite snappy with quite a bit of felt recoil and muzzle flip (especially with the Kahr CW40).
Can readily say that I have never encountered any such problems with any similar design, size, or weight 9mm. when compared with the .40s I owned. I would probably go with Ruger over the Taurus primarily for that reason, as well as the belief that you would get great customer service from Ruger, should you ever need it.
Can readily say that I have never encountered any such problems with any similar design, size, or weight 9mm. when compared with the .40s I owned. I would probably go with Ruger over the Taurus primarily for that reason, as well as the belief that you would get great customer service from Ruger, should you ever need it.
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Trunk Monkey
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I don't think it matters at this point given that the deal fell through but I think this thread was misnamed.
It really should have been Ruger V. Taurus
It really should have been Ruger V. Taurus
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