We all know about the shortages. But?

I agree with your statement. Things that may change it, even if Biden wins, is the fact that a lot of the left bought firearms recently. So, they may not want to ban stuff they just bought.

Also, if people were honest and recognized that most gun control laws are racist in intent that may also get us some breathing room.

Really, if the shortage is due to more Americans buying guns and ammo I think that is a good thing. Sucks for now I know.

Who knows what the election will hold for us in the future and how both sides will take whoever wins.

while I do believe part of the gun, ammo, reloading supply shortage is do to the fact of many of us buying what we can when we get our hands on it. I do believe that the companies running the factories haven’t really ramped up their production, or hired more people to meet the demand. Although I will give credit to one company Fiochi, that building a new ammo plant and will add up to 55 additional workers to produce more centerfire ammunition. Mostly pistol only calibers.

It will be months for current orders to be processed and shipped to retailers as it is.

The trick is to buy what you can.... and if you can even consider to switching to Black powder. That is one thing not in complete short supply yet, and you can make yourself.

True, A 45 colt BP isn’t as powerful as smokeless, but in a pinch, a 250gr BP cartridge can still kill if you need it too. if it can kill a hog, it can kill a human!

I was going to say something, but I'd better not since I'd surely be stepping off the high road...

Needless to say, this time, I expect nucular winter, to say the least.... I don't think this is "just like all the other panics". It's foolish to think "well, this will pass, it always has before! My rose colored glasses will see me through!" These people are not paying attention. I wish it would just pass, but this time, I don't see it happening like "it always has before".

And anyway, remember when .22lr was so hard to find? How long did that last???? I went FOUR YEARS without seeing any .22lr ammo anywhere, at any price, other than the occasional box of expensive Eley ammo. It just wasn't there. You may have been able to find it, but I sure couldn't. ONCE during that FOUR YEARS, I managed to be in the right place at the right time to get ahold of a couple of bulk boxes of .22 ammo from an internet dealer.... and that was IT. Are you ready for a four year ammo shortage? Or longer???

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Guns, ammo, and components are commodities. Eventually supply will meet demand and end the imbalance, and prices will follow.

This keeps getting beat to death and no one can really tell you. The people making the stuff did not shut down. None of them are going to build a new plant to "catch up" as it would be a huge waste of money. Sooner or later the people who are filling an extra room with supplies will have enough. Guns it has a lot more to do with a LOT of new buyers. Since most can't afford to fill a room with extra guns. So the simple answer is when people stop panic buying. How long that will take who knows. So the stuff is being produced every day. So far people are buying it as fast as it leaves the door of the factories.

Alex Clayton said:

This keeps getting beat to death and no one can really tell you. The people making the stuff did not shut down. None of them are going to build a new plant to "catch up" as it would be a huge waste of money. Sooner or later the people who are filling an extra room with supplies will have enough. Guns it has a lot more to do with a LOT of new buyers. Since most can't afford to fill a room with extra guns. So the simple answer is when people stop panic buying. How long that will take who knows. So the stuff is being produced every day. So far people are buying it as fast as it leaves the door of the factories.

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Can you say someone(s) making a **** load of money!

it is true... I saw the statistics on the number of NICS checks, that doesn’t count the number of people who have LTC/CHL that don’t require NICS checks.

here in Texas the number of LTC/CHL applications have doubled since March. I also know my local dealer, sells all his guns as fast as he gets them in. He told me 80% of his sales are to first time buyers. he also said he knows for sure that at least 10% are Biden supporters too. So who knows what the future will hold.

As bad as it is to get supplies.... one nice thing, the more new gun owners We get the bette, and more support we have!

I agree with your statement. Things that may change it, even if Biden wins, is the fact that a lot of the left bought firearms recently. So, they may not want to ban stuff they just bought.

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There is little chance of a sweeping ban if Biden wins. He has already stated that it simply isn't practical. And like the quote above there is not that much demand for one at the moment. A handful of people tend to get vocal after a high profile shooting making it appear that there is demand for a ban. But reality eventually sets in.

This silliness has to stop eventually. People have been buying stuff off and on since 2008 a lot faster than they're shooting it. We have to reach a saturation point eventually. And when it does the gun and ammo manufacturers will be struggling. Lots of folks can't shoot up what they already have in 3-4 years. We're going to see old guys dying soon with 100,000 rounds of ammo for their widow's to get rid of.

It is uncertainty that is causing the buying. I think that either way things will settle down after the election. Once people figure out what to expect.

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There is little chance of a sweeping ban if Biden wins. He has already stated that it simply isn't practical. And like the quote above there is not that much demand for one at the moment. A handful of people tend to get vocal after a high profile shooting making it appear that there is demand for a ban. But reality eventually sets in.

This silliness has to stop eventually. People have been buying stuff off and on since 2008 a lot faster than they're shooting it. We have to reach a saturation point eventually. And when it does the gun and ammo manufacturers will be struggling. Lots of folks can't shoot up what they already have in 3-4 years. We're going to see old guys dying soon with 100,000 rounds of ammo for their widow's to get rid of.

It is uncertainty that is causing the buying. I think that either way things will settle down after the election. Once people figure out what to expect.

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I agree. Gun shows will be saturated with people's stockpiles in a few years.
I've only seen a shortage of srp and spp. Everything else is there.
I'm good either way.

It’s too bad new gun owners aren’t buying nice old lever actions and pre lock Smith revolvers.

It would be great if those all came up for sale in a few years.

I dont know why people on gun forums have it in their heads that first time gun owners are going to sell off everything they just purchased. I work with and know a few. They are Liberal as can ve, but still own guns. I don't see any of them selling them.

There's an Urban NY radio show called The Breakfast Club who has interviewed all the Democrat candidates for president as well as some conservatives include Rush Limbaugh. Even they admit to owning guns including ARs long before the pandemic and George Floyd. They are far left liberals who own guns, but freely admit that they'd have zero issue giving up their "assault rifles" just as long as everyone else had to too. They're also for UBC, mag limits, Red Flag laws, and other gun control. Others might have already owned or purchased a firearm for the first time for protection that they'll most likely will almost never shoot. They'll simply will store it in a safe place in their home for a rainy day, and will forget about it.... Not sell it...

Unlike most here, my entire family are Liberals. Most of my family live in New York. I have liberal friends and co-workers that I get along fine with. I frequent left as well as right leaning forums and social media outlets. Most aren't the antigun Nazis you see in the media. They either don't like guns and will never have one in their home or will own one. That or they support gun ownership and don't mind owning firearms, but endorse very restrictive gun control measures.

Alex Clayton said:

This keeps getting beat to death and no one can really tell you.

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Second!

Stophel said:

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Quite right, but I wish the mods/admins would stop doing that. This is obviously something that is weighing heavily on the minds of many people here, and they obviously need to discuss it. Every time a mod closes a thread, someone just opens a new one.

My wife was teaching high school when Trump won the election. She said the kids were sooo distraught (many were in outright tears) that she simply had to stop teaching for about three days. They couldn't focus on anything other than the election results. By giving her students time and opportunity to discuss the situation, they eventually came down and were able to focus on other things.

I see this current ammo/gun shortage, civil unrest, and approaching election as a similar situation in that the people here need an outlet to discuss their concerns. And yes, it will be, and has thus far been, repetitive. But I don't see why that's a problem. There is at least a decade's worth of text stored on this site's servers, much of that is the same material rehashed; what possible harm could it do to let people post their thoughts and concerns about the current situation?

D.B. Cooper said:

Quite right, but I wish the mods/admins would stop doing that. This is obviously something that is weighing heavily on the minds of many people here, and they obviously need to discuss it. Every time a mod closes a thread, someone just opens a new one.

My wife was teaching high school when Trump won the election. She said the kids were sooo distraught (many were in outright tears) that she simply had to stop teaching for about three days. They couldn't focus on anything other than the election results. By giving her students time and opportunity to discuss the situation, they eventually came down and were able to focus on other things.

I see this current ammo/gun shortage, civil unrest, and approaching election as a similar situation in that the people here need an outlet to discuss their concerns. And yes, it will be, and has thus far been, repetitive. But I don't see why that's a problem. There is at least a decade's worth of text stored on this site's servers, much of that is the same material rehashed; what possible harm could it do to let people post their thoughts and concerns about the current situation?

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I agree and some of us just need to vent lol!

Gunmagwarehouse.com has gen2 MAGPUL mags available. Just ordered 2 Now to find some .223 or 5.56

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While I do believe part of the gun, ammo, reloading supply shortage is do to the fact of many of us buying what we can when we get our hands on it. I do believe that the companies running the factories haven’t really ramped up their production, or hired more people to meet the demand. Although I will give credit to one company Fiochi, that building a new ammo plant and will add up to 55 additional workers to produce more centerfire ammunition. Mostly pistol only calibers.

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It might be a "manpower shortage" with trained workers out sick. Or the governors of those states may have them locked down.

It’s different this time because we have a super power who has fired a shot that has killed 160,000 Americans. And we have planned, orchestrated protests and riots. The riots aimed at tearing down the best governing system ever known to the world. Half of our politicians and government officials are literally on the side of the rioters because they let them burn police headquarters with no repercussions. It’s a perfect storm. People are divided and a super power is willing to do anything to hurt us. I hope this all gets better after the election but I don’t think it will.

I just hope our freedom can survive the next few years. Lots of forces are unified against the freedom loving middle class.

I have managed to store up some ammo (mostly limited to a few calibers. My more oddball guns will just have to go hungry), but I'm not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, and I can only get so much. So what I've got, I can't really afford to shoot! (please don't tell me to reload....).

I don't believe this will be limited to the current "panic buying". Supply and demand and all that jazz. I see things quickly moving beyond that.
And I don't believe this is a cyclical thing...where it comes, it passes, life is beautiful again.... I see very ugly things coming (I've seen ugly things HAPPENING for a long time now... I don't recognize "America" anymore at all). I also see an awful lot of Pollyannas out there who are in for a rude awakening.

D.B. Cooper said:

Quite right, but I wish the mods/admins would stop doing that. This is obviously something that is weighing heavily on the minds of many people here, and they obviously need to discuss it. Every time a mod closes a thread, someone just opens a new one.

My wife was teaching high school when Trump won the election. She said the kids were sooo distraught (many were in outright tears) that she simply had to stop teaching for about three days. They couldn't focus on anything other than the election results. By giving her students time and opportunity to discuss the situation, they eventually came down and were able to focus on other things.

I see this current ammo/gun shortage, civil unrest, and approaching election as a similar situation in that the people here need an outlet to discuss their concerns. And yes, it will be, and has thus far been, repetitive. But I don't see why that's a problem. There is at least a decade's worth of text stored on this site's servers, much of that is the same material rehashed; what possible harm could it do to let people post their thoughts and concerns about the current situation?

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And some are repeatedly trying to warn everyone about what looks to be dark times ahead. Some of us are hoping everyone has their eyes open and understand the weight of the chaos around the country.

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Can you say someone(s) making a **** load of money!

it is true... I saw the statistics on the number of NICS checks, that doesn’t count the number of people who have LTC/CHL that don’t require NICS checks.

here in Texas the number of LTC/CHL applications have doubled since March. I also know my local dealer, sells all his guns as fast as he gets them in. He told me 80% of his sales are to first time buyers. he also said he knows for sure that at least 10% are Biden supporters too. So who knows what the future will hold.

As bad as it is to get supplies.... one nice thing, the more new gun owners We get the bette, and more support we have!

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It is certainly good for part of the economy. The people who work at the plants making the stuff are I am sure being offered a lot of OT if they want it. A few make some bank "scalping" this stuff too. If you look at the auctions there is always stuff that is hard to find for sale.

Another post about the scarcity and about politics too. Both of these topics are getting so old.

Stophel said:

I have managed to store up some ammo (mostly limited to a few calibers. My more oddball guns will just have to go hungry), but I'm not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, and I can only get so much. So what I've got, I can't really afford to shoot! (please don't tell me to reload....).

I don't believe this will be limited to the current "panic buying". Supply and demand and all that jazz. I see things quickly moving beyond that.
And I don't believe this is a cyclical thing...where it comes, it passes, life is beautiful again.... I see very ugly things coming (I've seen ugly things HAPPENING for a long time now... I don't recognize "America" anymore at all). I also see an awful lot of Pollyannas out there who are in for a rude awakening.

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<shrug> this the sky is falling gets shouted every time this happens. Now if gun owners keep refusing to help and let anti gun people get power we will lose more and more gun rights. That has zero to do with the ammo. When enough people have more than they can keep and stop buying the shelves will fill again. Again many will ignore it, see weekly sales and ignore them. Something will set off another panic and the same people will start screaming the sky is falling. This panic will end, just like they all have. Now if we allow anti gun law makers to take over? That is a whole different story and stocking up does nothing. As if they are allowed the power they will just take the stuff stocked up. So other than not ignoring the next time the shelves are full make sure you vote to keep the rights you have left.

I, too, have serious reservations about this current phase we're in. I try to keep my posts reasoned. I've posted in several threads that moderators here and elsewhere have shut down, discussing this.

There's a side that poo poos this as just a normal panic buy. I disagree with them, because to me, this one feels a lot different. The past ones felt like "get what you can before it gets banned", this feels a lot more like "get what you might need before all hell breaks loose". It's legit a scary feeling.

I was at the range today, picking up and trying out a new rifle (I'd found a reasonably priced 2nd AR, and my college-aged son got his Christmas gift early). Indoor range, usually handguns predominantly. It's constantly busy now, and most of what I see there ain't pistols anymore. AR's, AK;s, big battle rifles in 7.62 NATO, today I watched a guy breaking in a P90. Used to be until recently, when I would bring an SKS it was the loudest gun in the range. Definitely not the case anymore.
And nobody's "plinking" there for fun right now; they're getting something new in, running it enough to determine it's good to go, and then sitting on it.