Law enforcement?The 870 is the overwhelming choice of those PD's still issuing shotguns......which is fewer and fewer by the day. The military goes with low bidder.
No, the trend for the last twenty odd years is to go with an AR. The North Hollywood shootout is why.
Please....... just stop with that silly "OMG militarization of the police! OMG".
Sorry, anyone writing or using the term "militarization of police" is already giving an opinion.
Don't obfuscate the issue. I haven't mentioned one thing about the 1033 Program. In fact I pointed out that surplus military equipment has been provided for free or at huge discounts to LE agencies FOR OVER A CENTURY. The 1033 Program is just the current .gov program for LE agencies to receive surplus military equipment.
I pointed out that $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ worth of free military stuff had been available for decades and decades. Think for a minute why you didn't see PD's issuing SMG's, AR's, Thompsons, M1 and M2 carbines to patrol cars but issued shotguns instead. LE agencies did obtain plenty of machine guns, but kept them in the armory or storage and didn't think a patrol car needed such firearpower. Other than Bonnie & Clyde, precious few felons were armed with anything more than a handgun or shotgun...and the pump shotgun carried in patrol cars was deemed sufficient. North Hollywood showed the need for something other than a shotgun.
You write that as if I said both......I said neither.
I believe in this case the City of Huntsville owns the building not Remington and had offered an incentive lease package to Remington as part of the package to get Remington to come to Huntsville. So when I say, "take it back", it really more like evicting bankrupt renters since that is what would happen. Huntsville will likely not get all their back lease payments they are owed when the bankruptcy is settle. But the building was never Remington's to begin with so Huntsville will get the building back and the permanent in place equipment (ranges and ventilation) will have to be left and put in as assets to offset against what Remington owes the city I would guess.
Please....... just stop with that silly "OMG militarization of the police! OMG".
Fact is, police departments have had armored vehicles, machine guns and military grade weapons and equipment for more than a century.
I WANT my local and state LE to be as well or better armed than the dirtbags they run across in the line of duty.
MRAPS? FREE government surplus. Meaning your local PD isn't spending more taxpayer dollars than what was already spent by the military. Don't think the police need an armored vehicle? I do.
M4's.....again, free.
Body Armor? Are you serious? You have a problem with PD wearing body armor? Is a police officers life not as precious as a soldier?
Camoflage BDU's? What color or pattern would fit your fashion sense?
Grenade launchers? Heck yeah! For the last six months I just wish they would make greater use of them.
Bayonets?......Where? I would love to see PD on riot duty affix bayonets.
North Hollywood was the event that showed how underprepared and underarmed your average patrol officer was. Shotguns as deployed by the LAPD in North Hollywood were ineffective. LAPD "borrowed" AR15'd from a local gun shop. How was did that end? LAPD commandered an armored car, not one of their own.
Here in Texas, the "Takeover Bandits" in 2005 caused nearly every PD in North Texas to outfit or let their officers outfit themselves with an AR.
And now, back to our regularly scheduled Remington discussion ...
