Final nail for Remington?

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  1. Ignition Override

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    My .22LR handguns would miss Rem. Golden. Bullet ammo.

    GB, Win. X and Herters are the most reliable brands in my M&P and Ruger Mark IV Standard.
     
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    3F3B5197-811C-4B8D-B818-9CCB68B7B5AD.jpeg D53A060F-CAF5-4119-8076-2082507B01B3.jpeg Too bad, because my RM380 and R1 1911 .45 have been excellent values.
     
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  4. chicharrones

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    Arrrgh. My RM380 has fail to extract issues now. I never realized the extractor "spring" on an RM380 is a piece of elastomer until today.

    Considering the Rohrbaugh that the RM380 is based on uses a coil spring, I feel Remington really went cheap on this part for a self defense gun.
     
  5. mcb

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    Call them up quick and get a few extras on order. I like the elastomers functionally. Less "bouncy" than a spring due to the inherit damping in this type of polymer but it does have longevity issues. AR have various polymer add-on under their extractor for similar damping reasons. The DPMS Gen II used a pure polymer spring (no metal at all) under its extractor. If not for the longevity issues the polymer springs really do work as well or better than a metallic springs due to that inherit damping.
     
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  6. Megawatt maker

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    I have that in my Bushmaster BR-10. Its junk. Lasted less than 50 rounds before every other round was a FTE. I ordered a replacement from JR Enterprises and it runs flawless now. The JR has a metal spring with an o ring around it to dampen..but even that isnt needed. I took the o ring off and it still worked just fine.
    I think its stupid to use that kind of material in that environment. Heat, chemicals, pressure...none good for a rubber like product for any length of time.
     
  7. labnoti

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    This speculation about whether another manufacturer wants a 870 or 1100 or Versamax product, or whether they want a line of lever action rifles, sort of misses the point. The Remington sale is not just a sale of product lines, but of factories, production facilities, production workers, and the rest of the company including sales, marketing, advertising, accounting, finance, management, executives and so on. We can be quite sure that Sturm Ruger, S&W, AOBC, or Vista don't want that and they won't pay for it. Could they make a profit selling some of Remington or Marlin's products? Of course, but why would Remington's creditors sell the valuable, profitable assets and just eat it when it comes to the other 98% of the company? They need a buyer who will buy whole assets -- not necessarily the entire company to one buyer (although I'm sure they'd prefer that), but certainly not just the rights to choice products while flushing the value of all the other assets.
     
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  8. mcb

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    And yet every AR-15/10 buffer going back to it's inception has a elastomer bumper and several elastomer disks between buffer weights and no one criticises the use of polymers there. Or the grip, or the hand-guard, or the but stock. Each to his own but I have put many tens of thousands of rounds on a variety of firearms (rifles and pistols) with partial or all polymer extractor springs without issues to worry about it. YMMV
     
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    A coil spring supplemented with an elastomer bumper makes some sense. A small plug of elastomer used all by itself as a spring makes a lot less sense to me. Kinda why I dislike buffers in some autoloaders, you just can't count on them to last as long as other springs in the gun. Time and oils are not friendly to "rubber" types of materials.
     
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    We are off topic here but this would make an interesting topic on its own.

    https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/polymers-in-your-gun-especially-in-the-role-of-a-spring.873834/
     
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    Hard to believe any gun related manufacturer could be struggling in this current climate.....
     
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    That’d be so super duper since I think more firearms need ugly keyhole locks prominently drilled into the sides of their receivers.
     
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    Doesn't the lock just afflict revolvers? I don't think I seen a 3rd Gen, M&P pistol, AR, or Thompson Center product with one.
     
  14. JERRY

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    the Remington 870 has been out paced by the Mossberg 500-590, so all they really have is hunting rifles and you see what has been happening to hunting rights, land, programs.....
     
  15. mcb

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    I would put an new 870 Wingmaster or 870 Police up against a Mossberg any day of the week and twice on bruin home invasion day :D. No doubt it's a toss up between a Mossberg and an 870 Express but not a "real" 870 even with Remington QC problems.
     
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    hunting guns just aint gonna cut it to keep them afloat. hunters buy a shotgun or two, same for a rifle, and it lasts them their lifetime. fewer hunters, fewer hunting guns sold.
     
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    Couldn't agree more!

    I think I said this in another Remington thread; At a time when hunting is on the decrease and demand for handguns, and semi-auto carbines is on the rise, Remington went hardcore Fudd. The killed off their product brands that had any real market potential Bushmaster, DPMS, and Tapco less than a year before a very contentious presidential election and as you say, "hunting guns just ain't going to cut it to keep them afloat."
     
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    Sigh! A whole universe of firearms out there and you can't get over the S&W lock.......
     
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    Sure it has.:rofl:
     
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  20. Prince Yamato

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    The writing was on the wall when Remington recalled every 870 and 700 made since 1960-something a couple years ago. Everything else they make is basically a copy of someone else’s invention (1911, rohrbaugh, etc.).

    Norinco makes a better 870 than Remington and it’s cheaper.

    Remington absolutely wrecked AAC when they acquired them.

    Bushmaster is gone as a brand. Aside from Colt, that was probably the biggest name in AR-15s until they basically evaporated from the market.

    How do you have a finger in every area of the firearms industry (ammo, guns, and accessories) and fail at every single one?
     
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  21. JERRY

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    870 recall? I never got a notice nor was I aware. what was this recall for?
     
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    And yet, when you see companies in similar situations, it is always the profitable parts that are sold to raise cash. Have to cover those legal fees don'tcha know.........
     
  23. JERRY

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    I guess I should have clarified that with... in law enforcement and military circles. and more often then not, that is what the civilian market tends to follow.
     
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    Law enforcement? :rofl: The 870 is the overwhelming choice of those PD's still issuing shotguns......which is fewer and fewer by the day. The military goes with low bidder.
     
  25. Prince Yamato

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    I just double checked; it was the model 887 shotgun. Sorry to cause panic!
     
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