Deputy shot and killed by pistol left in car. Ramifications?

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On the 9th, we had a Sheriff Deputy in the county where I reside respond to a breaking and entering of a vehicle in progress.

To sum things up, at some point there was an exchange of fire between the suspect and responding deputies and one deputy was shot in the face. This deputy died the next day (yesterday). It was later determined the firearm used to kill the deputy was stolen by the suspect from the car he broke into. From my understanding, the suspect he was unarmed until that point.

My wife and I on occasion will keep a firearm in each of our vehicles in a combination/biometric lock box that's secured by a cable. We will use these boxes to secure our handguns (we both have carry permits) when we find a "no firearm" sign on a business that we are required to enter.
These lock boxes certainly won't prevent firearm theft, though they certainly add an extra level of difficulty in order to steal a firearm. Also, it's hopefully something that can be seen as due diligence in the eyes of the law (though absolutely unsure about that).

So what kind, if any, of legal trouble may the vehicle/firearm owner possibly face in the above scenario provided the vehicle was locked, windows up and parked on his property? Would there be any difference if the firearm itself was also in a locked container that would require force to break into?
 
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I thought my info still had " Western NC" in it. I guess I changed that at some point in the past 18 years.
 
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Not as of yet. I was hoping some here who are more fluent with North Carolina law might chime in, perhaps with examples of past events.

When attempting to read through the statutes, my eyes glaze over and I often begin craving pancakes.
 
What if he had stolen the car and killed someone with that? Or perhaps the tire iron?

I suppose some locations have laws that put firearm owners at more liability if a minor get their hands on it, how old was the killer?
 
We live in the "it's not my fault" era of irresponsible adults where even responsible adults get sued!

There is a western state where "you are responsible for every round that leaves your firearm"!
It doesn't stop at where the firearm is located. If your "child" breaks into your locked "safe" you are still responsible if it's used illegally!

Draconian.??!! You bet.

I'm personally aware of a law suit where a thief stole a motorcycle and .... The home owner had just moved into the new house. The landscaping wasn't complete. Sprinkler trenches were still uncovered. The homeowner was working late moving stuff into the house. The thief pushed the homeowner's motorcycle out of the garage, started it and took off across the yard. Hitting the open trenches he crashed and was partially paralyzed. After court costs for defending liability the court costs far exceeded several times the value of the motorcycle.

If this went to court you can see how loosing control of a firearm would/could end up in court, whether legal or civil the costs could be staggering!

All the best,
 
My wife and I on occasion will keep a firearm in each of our vehicles in a combination/biometric lock box that's secured by a cable. We will use these boxes to secure our handguns (we both have carry permits) when we find a "no firearm" sign on a business that we are required to enter.
Same practice here. Easy to tuck the box and cable under the seat so they are not noticeable from outside. Such lock boxes are fairly inexpensive. The one at Harbor Freight is key lock instead of combination, and claims to be TSA-qualified for air travel checked baggage.

My personal view is that if a gun is not in the safe at home, it should be on the owner's person.
A nice sentiment, but not always practical if you must enter a no-firearms area, such as a medical facility, school campus, or post office. Make your choice, lock it up or break a law.
 
... It was later determined the firearm used to kill the deputy was stolen by the suspect from the car he broke into. From my understanding, the suspect he was unarmed until that point.
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So what kind, if any, of legal trouble may the vehicle/firearm owner possibly face in the above scenario provided the vehicle was locked, windows up and parked on his property? Would there be any difference if the firearm itself was also in a locked container that would require force to break into?

Answering will require a fair amount of legal research. Any possible criminal liability would probably be based on some statutory "safe storage" law. Is there a "safe storage" statute in North Carolina? Would it apply to a gun stored in a car? What are available defenses? How has the statute been interpreted and applied by the courts?

Even in the absence of a safe storage law, a gun owner could well face civil liability if he improperly store a gun, it gets taken and used to hurt someone. Even without any statute on the books a gun owner has a legal duty to store his guns in a non-negligent manner.

A negligent act which results in the injury or death of another can subject the actor to civil liability to compensate the person who was injured. Negligence in law is basically:
A failure to behave with the level of care that someone of ordinary prudence would have exercised under the same circumstances. The behavior usually consists of actions, but can also consist of omissions when there is some duty to act (e.g., a duty to help victims of one's previous conduct).
Negligence is generally a question for a jury. If one is sued for damages base on an injury allegedly arising from his negligence the jury will need to decide, after all the evidence about what took place and what everyone said or did is presented whether the defendant acted as a reasonable and prudent person would in the same situation.

In this case in Montana about gun storage, the language of the appellate court decision gives us some clues as to how a court might look at the question of the standard of care where guns are concerned, Estate of Strever v. Cline, 278 Mont. 165 (Mont., 1995), at 174 -- 175 (emphasis added):
...A firearm, particularly one that is loaded or has ammunition in close proximity, is considered a dangerous instrumentality and therefore requires a higher degree of care in its use or handling. This concept is set out in the Restatement (Second) of Torts, which provides:

Care required. The care required is always reasonable care. This standard never varies, but the care which it is reasonable to require of the actor varies with the danger involved in his act, and is proportionate to it. The greater the danger, the greater the care which must be exercised.

As in all cases where the reasonable character of the actor's conduct is in question, its utility is to be weighed against the magnitude of the risk which it involves. [Citation omitted.] The amount of attention and caution required varies with the magnitude of the harm likely to be done if care is not exercised, and with the utility of the act. Therefore, if the act has little or no social value and is likely to cause any serious harm, it is reasonable to require close attention and caution. So too, if the act involves a risk of death or serious bodily harm, and particularly if it is capable of causing such results to a number of persons, the highest attention and caution are required even if the act has a very considerable utility. Thus those who deal with firearms ... are required to exercise the closest attention and the most careful precautions, not only in preparing for their use but in using them....

Restatement (Second) of Torts § 298 cmt. b (1965).

Accordingly, given the foreseeability of the risk involved in the improper and unsafe use and storage of a firearm; given the strong policy considerations favoring safe and prudent use and storage; and on the basis of the law as set forth in §§ 1-1-204, 27-1-701 and 28-1-201, MCA, our decisions in Limberhand, Maguire, Phillips, Mang and Busta and the above referred to standards of care set forth in Prosser and Keeton on Torts and in comment b to § 298 of the Restatement, we hold that, as a matter of law, the owner of a firearm has a duty to the general public to use and to store the firearm in a safe and prudent manner taking into consideration the type of firearm, whether it is loaded or unloaded, whether the ammunition is in close proximity or easily attainable, and the location and circumstances of its use and storage.

Because we conclude that Susanj owed a legal duty to the general public to store his firearm and ammunition in a manner consistent with this standard of care,...
 
Frank, that's a wealth of information right there. Much appreciated!

North Carolina does have a safe storage law, but it's geared toward preventing access to minors.

§ 14-315.1. Storage of firearms to protect minors.

(a) Any person who resides in the same premises as a minor, owns or possesses a firearm, and stores or leaves the firearm (i) in a condition that the firearm can be discharged and (ii) in a manner that the person knew or should have known that an unsupervised minor would be able to gain access to the firearm, is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor if a minor gains access to the firearm without the lawful permission of the minor's parents or a person having charge of the minor and the minor:

(1) Possesses it in violation of G.S. 14-269.2(b);

(2) Exhibits it in a public place in a careless, angry, or threatening manner;

(3) Causes personal injury or death with it not in self defense; or

(4) Uses it in the commission of a crime.

(b) Nothing in this section shall prohibit a person from carrying a firearm on his or her body, or placed in such close proximity that it can be used as easily and quickly as if carried on the body.

(c) This section shall not apply if the minor obtained the firearm as a result of an unlawful entry by any person.

(d) "Minor" as used in this section means a person under 18 years of age who is not emancipated. (1993, c. 558, s. 2; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 14, s. 11.)
 
Reading through the statutes ...

The Tennessee "application for permisssion to purchase a handgun" giving the county sheriff or chief of police up to fifteen days to approve or deny a handgun sale is still on the books, although it has been superceded by the Tennessee Instant Check System*, the verbiage is still on the books.

The Virginia Racial Integrity Act is still on the books; unenforced since the SCOTUS decision overturning Virginia refusing to recognize the Maryland marriage certificate of the mixed race Loving couple, but the verbiage is still on the books.

Reading the statute books of a jurisdiction will inform you of what's on the books. To know how the laws are actually enforced at discretion of police, prosecutors, and judges, you really need a local lawyer familiar with actual cases.
 
When you read the stories about rioters stealing rifles from the police cars they just destroyed. You don’t hear about the liabilities that puts the city/state/fed in.

Some may note,

Possession of a stolen firearm is punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.
 
The Virginia Racial Integrity Act is still on the books; unenforced since the SCOTUS decision overturning Virginia refusing to recognize the Maryland marriage certificate of the mixed race Loving couple, but the verbiage is still on the books.
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Not sure what the intended meaning "still on the books" was, but Virginia repealed that law in 1975.
 
A nice sentiment, but not always practical if you must enter a no-firearms area, such as a medical facility, school campus, or post office. Make your choice, lock it up or break a law.

Except that's not what happened here. It's one thing to secure your gun when going into a business that won't allow you to carry and keeping a gun in your vehicle all the time, especially at night like this guy did.

"the Henderson County Sheriff’s Office, responded to a 911 call around 2.50am when someone reported that suspects were breaking into their car, officials said."

"The male resident grabbed a firearm and stepped onto the porch where he saw the suspect who broke into the family’s vehicle reaching into the car’s console, where he knew he had another gun hidden.

“The suspect did obtain that weapon and shots were exchanged between the subject and the resident,” cops said."
 
Haven't been in a Holiday Inn Express in years, so there isn't a shred of a chance I can fake lawyering....but wouldn't the civil side of this be much more sticky for the car owner / gun owner than the criminal side, particularly if there are no storage laws in NC? I would think a good attorney could make hay on someone leaving their gun in a car that was used to kill a deputy - it so completely fails the common sense rules. However, I do see police cars, unoccupied, with a shotgun in the cab.
 
"Not sure what the intended meaning "still on the books" was, but Virginia repealed that law in 1975."

Interim Report from The Commission to Examine Racial Inequity in Virginia Law, 15 Nov 2019.
https://www.governor.virginia.gov/m...o-Examine-Racial-Inequity-in-Virginia-Law.pdf
"Accordingly, the Commission recommends the following chapters of the Virginia Acts of Assembly for repeal:
"Year Chapter Description
"....
"1924 371 Act to Preserve Racial Integrity.
"....


Still on the books Nov 2019. (....: There was a long list of unconstitutional racial laws on the books but unenforced that should be repealed.)

Josh Blackman, "Virginia Legislature to Repeal the Racial Integrity Act of 1924", The Volokh Conspiracy, 6 Dec 2019.
https://reason.com/2019/12/06/virginia-legislature-to-repeal-the-racial-integrity-act-of-1924/
.... In Loving v. Virginia (1967), the Supreme Court considered the constitutionality of criminal convictions of Richard and Mildred Loving for violating the Racial Integrity Act of 1924. .... This landmark decision did not purport to "strike down" Virginia's ban on interracial marriage. Nor could it. Courts lack a writ of erasure..... To be precise, the [Racial Integrity and Sterilization] Acts were not "overturned." They were merely declared unconstitutional, and state officials were barred from enforcing those laws. But to be sure, these statutes do remain enshrined in law. And they should be repealed." ....

Should be taken off the books, but still there apparently by my searches. Wikipedia: "In 2001, the Virginia General Assembly passed a resolution that condemned the Racial Integrity Act ...", other sources mentioning the Interim Report but no mention of actual repeal.
 
I really don’t see why youd leave a loaded gun in a car.
I routinely leave a loaded gun locked in a cable-secured metal lockbox, out of sight, when going into the Post Office. However, I would not leave a gun i there overnight; time to bring it in with me.
 
Sounds like the shooter is still guilty of murder as well as felony theft and a few other laws. Can't blame it on the owner of the car if the car was locked. Can't blame it on the car either.
What if the perp had broken into the gun owners house and stole the gun and shot the depuity? Would that make any difference? Duh! I doubt it.
 
Since the owner of the car called the police. I wonder if he informed them there was a fire arm in the car. And if not. I wonder how that might impact the case?
 
I like to follow the letter of the law on something like this. If there is a law in that state against unattended firearms in a vehicle I could get the owner being charged. Otherwise, the owner did nothing wrong.
 
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