I wasn't so much saying that he needed "more gun" (that's a personal choice) but rather was pointing out that he might want to consider a carry method that allows him to access the gun with either hand, as the potential need for that is much higher than the need to access reloads with either hand.
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i think pocket carry will always have this liability. maybe a back pocket carry will cure this, but i'm keeping the gun in front for now. i will spend time on this.
thx,
murf
Definitely.
Trunk Monkey
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Bad for your spine
fastbolt
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No biggie. Lots of differing opinions and experiences among folks.
As long as it's not a matter of putting too much emphasis on the number of spare magazines being carried, meaning not having "over-confidence" in their presence. I've known more than a couple cops who didn't survive their tragic deadly force encounters to access even their first spare magazine, and a couple never had the opportunity to use (exhaust) their primary magazines.
Time might become a scarcer commodity than the number of rounds being carried on our persons.
In other words, if that first 1 or 2 rounds may mean the difference between life and death (for you), train to utilize them as if your life depends on them being accurately placed, and in time.
Buzznrose
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Sorry I was not clear. The second half of your post referred to his carry method, but it was the first part I was referring to (above) and what I felt was an inference to the current social climate of protests, riots, defunded police, etc. That was your response to a kleenbore comment.
If I missed your meaning, or took it in a different direction, I apologize for the confusion on my part.
It is clear that you have put some thought into pocket carry and have reasons for doing so.
I started out pocket carrying, but only because it was convenient for concealment.
It didn't work for my defensive training classes, so I went to IWB in a holster.
I have found OWB much more comfortable. Either a shirt tail or a sport jacket serves for concealment.
I have quit carrying a light alloy revolver, and a steel revolver for backup is a little heavy for pocket carry. I can see carrying an LCP II in a pocket holster, but it would have to be in a vest or jacket to allow drawing while sitting.
.380? Not optimal, but I wouldn't turn it down.
I won't recommend how to carry to anyone else, but I will urge that they consider all aspects.
I'll share this story: a friend who is a former long-time senior police officer chose not to carry after leaving the force But he reconsidered.
He bought an LCP competitor in a closable purpose-built back pocket carrying set-up. After a while, he changed to IWB with a large double column pistol. Neither of those works for me.
thx for the input. i do carry a glock 19 owb @ 4:00, but not always when out and about and seldom when at home. the lcpII is with me all the time.
murf
i agree with not relying on quantity to end the threat. i practice and dry-fire the weapon fairly regularly (mostly dry-fire in the current situation). i carry the spare magazine "just in case" the worst-case scenario occurs. i treat the magazines like a couple extra fire extinguishers for my house.
that little lcp is a challenge to shoot straight. i have to grip it hard and make sure the wrist stays locked to get off accurate shots. i can bust a clay pidgeon @ 60 yards every six shots on average. if my grip isn't just right, i will be off a foot or more. if i did not shoot this gun well, i would not carry it.
thx for the insight,
murf
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i am (or was three years ago) an over-the-road truck driver. i learned a long time ago that anything in the back pockets will destroy my back by the end of one day. so i have a habit, good or bad, of keeping the back pockets empty.
glad someone else understands this.
murf
i figured this out last night. i am a "jeans and t-shirt" person, and stopped wearing the tight fitting jeans a while back (belly got big). so, with my baggy jeans i can reach across my body, twist my right wrist around a bit and actually pull the lcp out of my left pocket. it takes what seems forever, but i can do it without any adjustment or modification.
i have another style of jeans i wear as often and i will try those out later, but i like this current style and would not mind wearing it exclusively. we will see.
thx for the suggestion,
murf
Personally, I would agree with you. I carry a pistol that holds 15 rds. I hesitate to tell strangers that they should do the same though, since I don't know what their background, body type, job, daily activities etc. are. I know of a certain trainer who spent most of his professional career in the drug wars in Mexico and his typical carry weapon is a snubbie revolver, along with a few less conventional weapons. It would be foolish for me to insist to him that he should switch to carrying a pistol like mine. I think many "gun people" focus too much on stuff/gear and not enough on context, training and fitness.
Charlie Martinez
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I suppose that if we start imagining all possible scenarios we can up with some where even three mags will not be enough. Having more ammo or spare magazines is always better but lead is heavy & having a lot of ammo on you all day, every day can be uncomfortable & impractical unless you are in law enforcement or expected a very unique defense situation.
I don't know if the OP is like me but I am a normal guy leading a fairly normal life so for me the realistic scenario is the one where the fight is unexpected and over (one way or the other) very quickly after just a few shots. Based on that (most probable) scenario I feel very well armed with a 5-shot 357 Mag revolver & a spare 5-shot speed loader. Sometimes I'm fine even w/o the added 5-shots.
If I ever expected a situation where I thought the fight required a lot more firepower I would pack something more suitable than a snub revolver (or a compact pistol) & definitely as much ammo as I could carry. I would also not be overly concerned with hiding my weapon so more than likely in addition to a standard size handgun I would also have a long gun.
I don't know if the OP is like me but I am a normal guy leading a fairly normal life so for me the realistic scenario is the one where the fight is unexpected and over (one way or the other) very quickly after just a few shots. Based on that (most probable) scenario I feel very well armed with a 5-shot 357 Mag revolver & a spare 5-shot speed loader. Sometimes I'm fine even w/o the added 5-shots.
If I ever expected a situation where I thought the fight required a lot more firepower I would pack something more suitable than a snub revolver (or a compact pistol) & definitely as much ammo as I could carry. I would also not be overly concerned with hiding my weapon so more than likely in addition to a standard size handgun I would also have a long gun.
I use these. Phone or earbuds in the front compartment and mags on the inside compartment. Ambidexterous. I leave the buckle undone so I just need to zipper pull.
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Many people consider this risk remote, but if someone should suddenly jump into the passenger set while the door i open, being able to defend oneself without relying upon the right arm could be a lifesaver.
That won't work with jeans pocket carry, but with a jacket pocket or brlt holster, it should
]I have spinaI stenosis, and a little over a year and a half ago I fell feet first down a flight of stairs, resulting in back pain that lasted for a long time and it still causes discomfort. I was carrying a steel automatic IWB at the time.
I think the Glock 19 may be a little heavier, fully loaded.
This thread has me to "run some scenarios in my head, and I have
- ...been rethinking whether to go back to carrying a spare magazine, and
- ..now that its jacket weather again, ordered a sturdy LH pocket holster for the K6a to use in the car.
scaatylobo
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Retired LEO and now age has started to catch up with me [ PAIN also ].
I just VERY recently put the G-19 and spare mag aside till [ or IF ] my back stops the flareup.
I now carry a Sig P-365 with a spare mag,all worn OWB.
The BUG [ if worn ] is a S&W scandium .357 with +P loads,and either pocket carry [ yes in a holster ] or ankle worn [ been doing that for many decades ].
Of course a few LIGHT blades and a flashlight [ LIGHTWEIGHT ].
Unless my hand was actually on the pocket carry [ and yes,I walk that way on the streets ] ,I fear trying to get to the gun would surely be the death or holes in my body for sure.
Personally I dont care if you choose to ignore what MOST here think as to your choices of carry & spare mag use .
Its not my ball and its not my field !!..
But having a 'few years' of streets experience and making it to 73,I actually LISTEN & LEARN ---- rather than argue !
I just VERY recently put the G-19 and spare mag aside till [ or IF ] my back stops the flareup.
I now carry a Sig P-365 with a spare mag,all worn OWB.
The BUG [ if worn ] is a S&W scandium .357 with +P loads,and either pocket carry [ yes in a holster ] or ankle worn [ been doing that for many decades ].
Of course a few LIGHT blades and a flashlight [ LIGHTWEIGHT ].
Unless my hand was actually on the pocket carry [ and yes,I walk that way on the streets ] ,I fear trying to get to the gun would surely be the death or holes in my body for sure.
Personally I dont care if you choose to ignore what MOST here think as to your choices of carry & spare mag use .
Its not my ball and its not my field !!..
But having a 'few years' of streets experience and making it to 73,I actually LISTEN & LEARN ---- rather than argue !
Question: How many times have you drawn a gun against an individual? How many times have you had one pointed at you?
Howland937
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I started carrying a clip-on knife on each front pocket for the same reason you described. My right hand was immobilized (stuck above my head between a serpentine belt and a/c compressor pulley) couldn't get the knife out of my right pocket with my left hand, so I had to hang out til other guys got back from lunch. Made me contemplate being caught one handed in a bad situation. So I carry spare mags in side pockets on pants or shorts, back pocket in jeans.
tactikel
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In these times of turmoil, I can see where calling upon a EDC to transition to a get me home weapon is entirely possible.
Locking up your business in Kenosha wisconsin walking out to your car and being confronted by 300 armed "protestors" is now a reality! My SIL works in Kenosha, he carries a G19, and 1 spare Mag, made it home.
Given this senario what would you carry?
I threw in two extra mags for my Shield months ago.
Locking up your business in Kenosha wisconsin walking out to your car and being confronted by 300 armed "protestors" is now a reality! My SIL works in Kenosha, he carries a G19, and 1 spare Mag, made it home.
Given this senario what would you carry?
I threw in two extra mags for my Shield months ago.
Yes....what we may have considered this time last year may not reflect today's reality.
In his book Counter Ambush, Rob Pincus advises spending most of one's efforts training for the most likely scenarios. That's a good idea, but what is likely these days may encompass more than what it was in 2019 and before.
However, the tactical realities of time, distance, speed, etc. have not changed, and neither has handgun effectiveness. That tells me that what has really changed involves how to stay out of harm's way in the first place.
There are places where we will not even consider going today--a lot of them.
In some fo them, a handgun would not be something to rely upon, no matter what kind, and no matter what the load out. But I sure wouldn't want to have to explain what I was doing there with a rifle.
The gun is not the solution to everything
TheWarhammer
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That sounds really cumbersome. I realize that this is the worst case scenario (strong arm is disabled). I'd want to streamline this process as much as possible. Extra steps slow you down, and we're talking about a situation where you're already in a bad way due to your right arm being presumably wounded. Maybe one of those magnetic mag clips could hold the left-hand spare mag in a position that you wouldn't have to pull out the holster before you can access the mag.
Also, I would worry about carrying the mag loose in your pocket putting pressure on the first round and changing it's position. When I first started to pocket carry my Khar CM9, I carried a loose mag in the other pocket and it would often pop the first round out of the mag before the day was over. Mags, especially tiny little single stack mags, are pretty easy to conceal in a belt pouch or IWB mag carrier. If you had a double carrier concealed IWB at the appendix, you could easily access both mags with either hand and the mags would be better protected than floating loose in your pockets. Plus the mags would always be in the same orientation when you went to grab them. Loose in a pocket, they can flip around.
Just a few of my thoughts on the matter. Cheers!
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Trunk Monkey
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I have no idea how you dress have you considered a T-shirt with pocket under your normal shirt? You can slip the magazine right in the pocket
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