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I know this is a rifle round in a pistol but here is what will happen.
How is this relevant?
I know this is a rifle round in a pistol but here is what will happen.
I think it is relevant because when pistol rounds get pushed to the levels of the aboveHow is this relevant?
I think it is relevant because when pistol rounds get pushed to the levels of the above
these videos show what is going to happen. You know that in the not to distant future someone is going to
try just as above with their favorite pistol cartridge.
You can get more pressure simply by adding more powder to the same case.
But neither have they set the world on fire. The .357 Sig is an example -- it's available in a well-designed, conveniently-sized platform, but is outsold by the 9mm by a long chalk.It's been pointed out that there have been steady efforts over the years to develop both more powerful and higher velocity ammo and guns to go with them. The idea that those efforts slowed downed or stopped is a mistake. They never really have.
no one seems to be designing pistol hardware to handle even higher pressures. Why? Wouldn't a 55 gr .22 caliber bullet flying at 3,000 fps out of a pistol be just as deadly as a 5.56 NATO out of a AR-15 platform?
This thread is about high peak chamber pressure, not high recoil. You don't seem to understand that.
But neither have they set the world on fire. The .357 Sig is an example -- it's available in a well-designed, conveniently-sized platform, but is outsold by the 9mm by a long chalk.
Don't know if it's been mentioned or not but small diameter, very high velocity handgun bullets is not necessarily a new concept, but maybe hampered by market demand or economics, I don't know. Jeff Cooper wrote this in the early 1970's in "Cooper on Handguns":
"What I'm getting around to is that, by means of this system (referencing the gas-operated Husqvarna pistol), we might come up with a .17-caliber pistol firing a 25-grain spitzer at 3300 fps, and that, amigos pistoleros, might well revise our ideas about pistolcraft. Think upon it".
Sure.May I ask what the purpose of this question is?
Don't overlook powder capacity. Generating big pressure requires more powder. so the case will need to be either bigger around or longer, or both. A big cartridge case means in-the-handle magazines won't work- too big to grip properly. So you're left with what we have already, big revolvers or AR type pistols.
So can we make a .45 or 9mm sized cartridge with better performance? I think that a smaller bullet at much higher speeds would do it. a 5.56 out of an AR-15 platform has good performance. 55 gr @ 3000 fps. Can we get a pistol to do that without the huge cartridge? If so, that means necked down 9mm with really high pressures.
Can we make those pressures work?
The 9x23 Winchester is a great round. It is still a great round that only Winchester sometimes makes.
Ok, what about something like the Bain&Davis from a platform like a Desert Eagle? Could you make bottleneck from a .44 to .32? Would 2500fps be doable? Could the platform be scaled down to duty size?
But, that's really only incremental, not phenomenal. The enhanced artillery powders are also very hard on rifled bore liners, too. So, re-lining is scheduled much faster than it once was.That's largely how they get high muzzle velocity over artillery from 100 years ago.
OK, what about it?
Yes.
With a light enough bullet and just the right powder.
No.