Case sizing your brass

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Hello everyone,
Have a question to ask the group in reference to case sizing, When they say Min. case length 1.518
can I load cases that are 1.514 ? What's happing is after firing I measured cases and cases were
below the trim length so I full length resized, used my mandrel checked again and it was still shorter
then 1.518.
The same cases become shorter and shorter, don't know what to do?
Please respond to my Request, Thanks
 
I am thinking it is 7.62X39. If so it does not headspace on the mouth and if things are a bit short as long as you have at least one caliber of bullet to neck contact to get good neck tension it will be no problem. The only thing will be the length of your crimping setting if you do that will be shorter for those rounds. Brass tends to grow shorter with firings using straight walled brass and grow in length with bottle necked brass.
 
Hi FROGO207, It is 7.62x39 , Bolt action, CZ rifle, I don't crimp my cartridges, about .002 to .003 neck tension,
before firing a reloaded round the length of brass was 1.518 and after firing that round it was 1.516 or 1.514, the cases differ ( Lapua cases)
I can't understand what's going on, I can' t continue using this brass
 
The 7.62 x 39 has a maximum cartridge length of 1.528" - 0.015" so a range of 1.513" to 1.528". The suggested trim to length is 1.518" or about 0.010" below the max cartridge length.

I agree with South Prairie Jim in that the brass has to go somewhere.

Your brass is still not below 1.513" and even at minimum I would not be too worried about it or slightly below minimum for that matter.

Ron
 
I though brass expands on bottle neck cases, not contract. I all so checked the rest of the new cases that were still in box, and they
range from 1.515 to 1.518 ( Lapua cases).
 
If the chamber is generous, the case can expand radially (get fatter). The brass expands around the circumference, but not along its length. Therefore it has the effect of pulling the case shorter lengthwise.
Take a strip of paper, lay it on the table, and push the ends toward each other. The paper will bulge up in the middle and the end-to-end distance across the table top is shorter.
 
It is my opinion that excessively short trim lengths are relatively unimportant. As long as the case neck will hold the bullet, the cartridge will go bang, the bullet will exit the barrel, and nothing bad will happen. Now if the case neck is so short the bullet falls off in the magazine, or feeding, then I would consider that bad.

I am more worried about over length. A case neck that is too long will pinch the bullet in the throat, and I did have over pressure cases because the cases were too long. This happened when I first started reloading, and a Sears cernier caliper was $70.00!. That is like $240 dollars in todays' money. A dial caliper was over $100. To read the vernier, I had to use a magnifying glass, and it took too much time for impatient me.

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vernier scale from Wiki

So I decided that it was un necessary to trim once fired cases, out of the fallacious idea that new meant they would not grow on first firing. It turns out, new cases are always over length on first resizing. Opps!

Take a look at this gauge, which is cut using a SAAMI minimum chamber reamer. Can you see the black gap between case mouth and the throat?. That is the clearance between the case mouth and the throat, so in this example, I have a lot of clearance between the case mouth and throat, and the likely hood of the mouth being pinched in the throat, is very, very small.

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Having shot ammunition like this all way out to 600 yards, and having good groups that hold the ten ring at 300 yards, and mostly at 600 yards, I am not concerned about any theoretical accuracy deterioration. The wind blows me more around at distance than case length OAL.

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this was a good load

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Just fill your wheel barrow with all those bench rest reloading techniques you read on the web, and dump them on the composite heap. It is far more important to make safe, reliable ammunition that feeds and extracts every firing. And, you will find out, if the barrel, bullet, and bedding are good, the ammunition will shoot pretty good.
 
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Very common, as has been explained the fatter the case becomes the shorter the case gets...until it can fill the chamber and then it may grow in length . This also happens with reduced loads .
 
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