Olon
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I agree with you. They're gestures, all right, but I don't see them as empty.
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I agree with you. They're gestures, all right, but I don't see them as empty.
You're telling me that non-federal LE never, ever assist federal LE in the enforcement of federal laws? Ever? At all? Even a little bit?
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If you doubt this, look at how marijuana cases are being handled. Quite a few states now have state laws allowing either medical use or even recreational use of pot (this include the District of Columbia!). Yet all of that weed sale and use remains illegal under Federal law. Yet no one complains that the local and state LEOs spend no time enforcing the Federal laws on marijuana.
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The feds, so far, have chosen to ignore the burgeoning marijuana industry. I highly doubt they are going to ignore unregulated supressors.
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The feds, so far, have chosen to ignore the burgeoning marijuana industry. I highly doubt they are going to ignore unregulated supressors.
Sessions was going to move on the marijuana industry until he crossed the boss. One cannot trust another administration not to have a zealot (this is true for guns and marijuana).
Again, these laws cannot stop Federal enforcement directly but might hinder cooperation if that actually was a real issue and makes a statement that might have electoral consequences.
I would like it if Greg directly challenged the law with his own and buddies' actions. Get out there shooting and maybe light up.
Again, these laws cannot stop Federal enforcement directly but might hinder cooperation if that actually was a real issue and makes a statement that might have electoral consequences.
I would like it if Greg directly challenged the law with his own and buddies' actions. Get out there shooting and maybe light up.
dogtown tom
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I'm not telling you that, because I didn't write that.
If by "assist" you mean does local LE call ATF when they discover a bomb, illegal machine gun, etc.......heck yeah they do. Same with DEA on drugs. Same with Secret Service. Same with US Dept of Agriculture or any other federal agency.
If a local or state LEO wants to be able to make arrests for federal crimes he must be sworn in as a federal officer. That happens with multi agency task forces, but only to the local or state LEO assigned and such powers are only for the duration of the assignment.
danez71
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Not the Feds with suppressors any longer.
They are no longer assiting in the enforcement. Seems like that was thier obvious point.
If it wasnt, then maybe not so obvious, lol.
Armybrat
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You are correct.
Why is it an "empty gesture" to make it illegal for local LE to do that with certain firearms violations?
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Not only marijuana, look at the original "sanctuary jurisdiction" model, immigration. In Cali local LE have to let criminal aliens out of jail without telling ICE.
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Is it actual federal LAW, passed by Congress, that short-barreled rifles and suppressors are illegal unless registered and the tax paid?
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But if they are in an immigration sanctuary jurisdiction, they don't call ICE when they release criminal illegal alien prisoners.
dogtown tom
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No state law can prevent an officer from calling another LE agency.....theres that pesky First Amendment thing.
dogtown tom
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1. It's an empty gesture because it changes nothing.
Why is it an "empty gesture" to make it illegal for local LE to do that with certain firearms violations?
2. Any state or local law that infringes on an officer right to free speech......as in calling the feds..........violates the First Amendment.
dogtown tom
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Where have you been the last eighty seven years? Serious question.
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While a city/county/state may have such a law, nothing stops an officer or any other citizen from calling ICE.
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If we get a more gun-friendly Congress at the midterms I think we should revisit the whole thing. If Congress could pass the original law, then Congress can change the law. SBR's should just be normal firearms and suppressors normal accessories.Where have you been the last eighty seven years? Serious question.
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Pretty sure Cali LE are FORBIDDEN to call ICE.
dogtown tom
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Like the Congress we had during Trumps first two years?
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The "California Values Act" prohibits using state or local resources to investigate, detain, detect, report, or arrest persons for immigration enforcement purposes.
Nothing prevents an officer from calling ICE.
danez71
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You should quit doing $10 transfers and become a lawyer and represent LEOS in CA.
Or maybe not.
Trump Admin sued and lost.
Ruling from CA9 April 2019
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...nia-sanctuary-laws-ruling-20190418-story.html
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If an officer wants to use his 1A right as a private citizen to infringe on the 2A rights of his fellow citizens, then perhaps there's nothing that can be done about that. I still don't see why it's an empty gesture though to prohibit him from actively doing so while on duty.
That'd certainly be nice, but there's not a snowball's chance in hell of it happening. If you believed some folks it should have happened in 2016-2017. Unfortunately those were false hopes and instead, the previous administration did more to damage 2A rights than any administration since Clinton. Congress didn't lift a finger to counter that in 2016-2017 and there's zero reason to suppose that'll change any time soon.
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That Congress had a lot of R's but wasn't really very gun-friendly. Now with over 61% of counties 2A sanctuary jurisdictions I think the situation is different.Like the Congress we had during Trumps first two years?
dogtown tom
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Ummm, yeah. You couldn't pay me enough to go to California. Representing LE in CA? Nope. They made their mess, now wallow in it.
Instead of linking to the Trump challenge, link to the cases where officers were charged with violating the California Values Act by using their own phones.......I'll wait.
Not one bit of that law or the court challenge prevents an officer from calling ICS.
Again, since you missed it the first time..........The "California Values Act" prohibits using state or local resources to investigate, detain, detect, report, or arrest persons for immigration enforcement purposes.
Nothing prevents an officer from calling ICE.
Note the "state and local resources".........meaning don't use your radio or the office phone.
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dogtown tom
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Personal cell phones be like it is, but it do.
danez71
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Again, since you missed it, you should quit doing $10 transfers, become a lawyer and represent all the LEOs in CA to overturn the CA9.
I'll wait.
Until then, I'll believe what multiple real judges have ruled and what is actully happening in the real world.
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