Losing “Faith” in a handgun for EDC

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One of the weirdest things I keep reading in the interwebs is shooters that have lost faith in a handgun if it malfunctions. Even if it went back to the manufacturer and was repaired and showed to work.

I have not liked a pistol that had to be repaired a few times, and sold them off. But they all worked, and if I had to would carry it. But I never thought it wouldn’t work. They are, after all, mechanical things and are prone to breakage. Even my beloved Glocks have failed, but I repaired them and keep in shooting them.

Maybe it’s because I come from a time where we were not blessed with such workable pistol out of the box either. I remember it was a 1911, Hi Power, or SW39 on LEOs hips if it wasn’t a SW27. Then the third generation of SW autos came out, four digit models, and now there was a reliable pistol that didn’t take 1000 rounds to break it in, only 500. LOL Now I read where shooters get mad when a pistol has a stoppage in the first 200 rounds or so! Like I said, it’s mechanical and some things need to be broke in. This isn’t the Battle of Stalingrad, we have time to break in a weapon. But I have been guilty of this too, wondering if I have gotten a lemon from Gaston. Putting 200-250 rounds through it just to make sure. But in the back of my mind, it’s still a mechanical item and prone to fail if preventive maintenance like RSA or trigger springs aren’t changed at certain intervals.

For those that think like this, and I’m not judging nor making fun of, what goes through your mind when your pistol breaks or has the same malfunction over and over again? Do you not trust it anymore? Or do you try to fix it and go on?

And yes I have had lemons, but always had the manufacture repair it. Never though it wouldn’t fire or not work after that.
 
I have guns that have broken several times and I keep using them. Shooting tens of thousands of round a season through a handgun in competition your going to break parts even if it's just the occasional spring. That has never bothered me, I frequently fixed them myself it possible, and I have continued to use them.

The one I did loose confidence in was a Kahr CW9. The trigger bar broke before I had 1000 rds through it. Went back to the factory for a very VERY slow repair and when I finally got it back it would light strike about 2-3 rds in a box of 50 rds (factory not reloads). I could never get that problem to go away and I traded it because it was bought as a carry gun and that type of unreliability is not going to cut it with me. I really liked the ergos of that gun but the early breakage and then light strikes made it not a viable gun for me.
 
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Carry a revolver:) But then there is mega mag of ammo for a firefight, no tactical reloads on the rear sight, 5 0r 6 rounds should usually do it.
I don't, but have. I carry my little LCP all the time. It works.
Nothing is perfect. all man made things can and will break.

Just use whatever you have had solid performance with.

It could Mal function today, tomorrow, a week month etc,
 
I don't thoroughly vet all of my firearms with hundreds of rounds for de facto SD or HD but in my experience if it's good out of the box it's good to go. Every firearm that gave me fits early on continued to give me problems until I got rid of it. First impressions with firearms mean a lot to me.
 
If you shoot them enough something will eventually go, and/or you're going to have a malfunction. Nature of the beast. If you don't routinely maintain them, that will likely happen sooner or later.

I have duplicates of everything I carry and use. I shoot my carry guns regularly, but I don't use them heavily in practice. I have a duplicate of the same gun for that.

A couple of years back, I bought a Glock 17 that had been sold NIB the month before, and the owner said he kept getting brass to the face. They sent it back to Glock, Glock said they replaced all the parts in the slide (they sent the list with the gun) and he apparently took it out and it did the same thing. Traded it off for something else.

I bought it, and probably have around 4 or 5000 rounds through it now, and never had one piece of brass come towards my face, nor have I had any problems whatsoever with the gun. Ive been carrying it for the past 6 months or so now. Im thinking the problem wasn't the gun. :)
 
Pistols with unexplainable hiccups aren't suitable for carry.

For example: If my Glocks slide stop spring failed, I'd just replace it. No big deal, problem solved, add that part to my overhauls. Found worn out part, replaced worn out part.

Another example: Does a CZ75's propensity for eating slide stop levers in half, mean that it isn't one of the best, most reliable, pistols out there? We just change that cheap part regularly and the pistol keeps on ticking perfectly fine.

But if a Springfield XD chokes, and I don't know why, and the factory couldn't fix it, and it appears to be in perfect shape..........yeah, I'm getting rid of it.

I likely wouldn't carry a 2011 either, because of the hardcore voodoo required to keep those mags functional.
 
I am comfortable if I know exactly what went wrong. If a part was broken, I can usually visually see if it’s no longer broken. It’s the mystery fixes that bother me. You send it in and it comes back saying something like barrel and spring replaced, and you didn’t see a broken spring or defective barrel when you sent it in. You then begin to wonder if there is something wrong with the design itself- say, maybe the magazine is unreliable.
 
Another thing to consider too is, this is why you need to be well versed in your malfunction drills. Sooner or later, everthing is going to have a problem. Most of them arent catastrophic, and easily remedied with a TRB, but you need to understand you need to practice that.
 
I have a revolver which was nothing but trouble. A "lemon", essentially. I really wanted to like it but it caused me no end of troubles. After a great deal of time and effort I think it now is what it was supposed to be - but even after a thousand trouble-free rounds my lizard brain still refuses to trust it.
 
I haven't had any that were already in carry rotation go sour (yet.) I have purchased a couple that were intended to join the carry pool that didn't prove themselves ready, and they got put back in the safe. One of them is an old Rossi 68 (was gonna be a truck and/or tackle gun) that locks up sometimes when fired; the barrel-to-cylinder gap appears too small and they bind when heated. Another is a Kahr CW45 that never got through a full magazine without malfunctioning. In neither case did I care enough to make any further attempts to "fix" them, as I always had other, already proven options ready.
 
For me, it's using one enough to be confident that it will go bang every time it's supposed to. I've only had one with significant enough problems that I could count on it to not work. It got traded back to the shop it came from. I had one other that I wanted to love, but I shot it miserably. I caused malfunctions by short-stroking the trigger. Not the guns fault, just something I couldn't get accustomed to. Maybe if I'd shot another 1000 or so rounds through it, but I lost interest after the first 1000 or so. I had no faith in the combination of it and me... So it's also gone now.
 
fix it and carry on for me, but if a gun had more than a couple issues, and kept acting up - I might have it recycled as scrap, but I've never seen that happen. I'm sure many are sold because a careless person dents the lip on their magazine and never figures it out.
 
I have had firearms that would malfunction multiple times every magazine. There is no way I would trust that firearm as an EDC firearm without some serious repair work and verification testing. The more times a firearm fails the more rounds I want to see shoot flawlessly before I will trust it again. If not, it gets sold. I have no use owning a carry firearm I can't trust.
 
I have two carry guns. everything else is a range or house gun. Nothing gets carried before 200 rounds of FMJ and at least 100 rounds of my preferred JHP have cycled 100%. After that, I swap out heavy wear parts in my carry guns at 5000 rounds or so. Any repeated malfs remove a gun from carry status. Beyond these rules, anything that breaks just gets fixed.
 
If I can shoot a box of 50 without any issues, I feel confident in the firearm. I have a semiauto that I have sent back for additional polishing to eliminate jams. Still not perfectly reliable so it will be a range gun only as I have lost my confidence in it. I haven't seen a similar issue in my revolvers. Always go bang and are very reliable. So I am now sold on revolvers.
 
I like to put several hundred rounds through a potential carry gun before trusting it. I’m a Glock fan and have several with 1200+ rounds through them with no malfunctions. I trust them all. Except one that started malfunctioning at 560 rounds. Nothing simple would fix it so it went back to Glock. It came back and appears to be fixed but I won’t trust it until another $400+ worth of ammo is put through it :confused: (today’s prices). Or I could just carry one of my other Glocks that has already proven itself.
 
My experience is that people who give the "I couldn't trust it" speech are the same as the "500 rounds of what you carry before you trust it" people. These are usually airsoft people, or single gun owner, who carried it once 4 years ago, and now its rusting somewhere and they're not sure where. Sure, not all of them, but my experience. That said, I've only had one lemon, went back, came back a lemon, and I sold that one to someone who thought they could fix it. I still carry my Beretta Bobcat, despite its issues. It runs good clean, cool, with the right ammunition. Once it gets hot it acts up, but I'm not shooting it 200 times when I carry it.
 
I had 2 LCPs, both sometimes failed to eject. Guns were clean, factory .380 ammo, and were shot a good bit. I’ve strong hands and am very experienced with pistols of all sizes.

Ruger replaced slide assy on both but it didn’t help much. I could not see why or what the problem was, and never trusted them.
 
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When we still carried revolvers I bought a brand new S&W 60 that had 4 or 5 defects right out of the box, 2 of which prevented the gun from operating. A mystery how this was able to leave the factory, unless it was deliberately sabotaged.

Sent it back, not all problems resolved. Sent it back again, seemed OK

At that point that gun was dead to me, last thing I needed if I had to pull it was wondering if it was going to work.

Sold it at a loss, and won’t buy a new S&W. Very happy with used ones that have had any issues resolved.
 
I have sent back firearms to:
Kahr
Ruger(semi and revolver)
SW (semi and revolver)
Sig

and yes even a Glock! (it was not a function issue)

So it can happen to any make or model.

For those that feel they need to put 500 rounds, that is a bit much as it's starting to wear out!:rofl:
 
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