Losing Faith in the 1911. Help

[JTQ]

tomrkba wrote,
If modern manufacturing cannot account for this, the the fault is the design.

When you are using those modern manufacturing techniques what spec measurements are you using? The ones used by Colt, Wilson, Baer, Brown, Springfield, RIA, S&W, SIG, Para, etc. They are all just a little different.

After you've determined who's using the correct dimensions, then you get to determine which magazines are the correct ones, CheckMate, Tripp, Wilson, McCormick, etc. They are all different too.

 

[MICHAEL T]

Go back to the specs of the USGI pistols .These guns were not the rattle traps we had in Nam . They left the factory as tight as any new Colt of today. I have owned a mint 1943 RR and it was a trouble free pistol. I even shot some HP in it with the original issued mag.

Don't see many complaints about new Colts of today. Maybe their using the original specs That worked.

Also lets drop the full length guide rods and buffers . This stuff not really needed KISS works . Use original specs add good sights and 4lb trigger Then leave it alone.

 

[1911Tuner]

Too many new guns won't run out of the box. Something is causing it and modern manufacturing should be able to solve the problem. Somehow, it has not overcome the design's deficiencies.

What is causing it is that everybody and his nephew is building his own version, that they all seem to be making up the specs as they go. Modern manufacturing techniques can't overcome that. Millions of USGI pistols...made from 1912 until 1945...seemed to run just fine. If they hadn't, the US Armed Forces would have dropped it like a bad habit shortly after WW1.

 

[tarosean]

The design is solid. If it hadn't been, it would have gone the way of the French Chau Chat by 1919.

Pretty much sums it up... Crappy designs quickly go the way of the Dodo bird. Firearm purchasers are not very forgiving nor have they ever been.

Here we are over 100yrs later and its easier to count the companies that do not make a 1911 version rather than do.

It is what it is...

 

[grter]

Military specs are very rigid and the military does not purchase, make, or allow to be used any other type of ammunition that falls outside of the specifications of a very few (very few) configurations of approved ammo.

It's like that for all of their firearms. They do not allow every configuration of crap or even good ammo to be fed into their weapons, only very specific approved ammo is allowed.

My impression is the 1911 was primarily designed for the military and works best with the military type of ammunition intended for it.

When 1911s were first made and some time after autos typically used only jacketed ball ammo and many did not function well with other kinds of ammunition. They were even picky about differnent brands of ammo of the same type. In the past I remember reading all sorts of review articles on autoloaders that supported that line of thinking.

Today reliability with a wide variety of ammo is the standard for autoloaders and expected.

I think one of the main reasons revolvers continued to be prefered for a long time is because until autoloaders were designed to be extremely reliable the revolver was what you can depend on for trouble free operation and with a wide variety of ammunition at that.