Losing Faith in the 1911. Help

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Well, I guess I'm just lucky. Of my six 1911's in .45 ACP, only 1 cost more than $900 (Kimber Warrior) and all have run flawlessly from shooting trip one. I think the least I have on any of them is 1000 rounds.

I've said this before, I've had more stoppages with my Glocks than I've had with my 1911's.

Though, I still carry a Glock these days. 13+1 (or 10+1 in the summer) is better than 8 + 1; that's pretty much it.
 
Well, I purchased a "Brand New in the Box" Colt Commander .45 Auto and then dropped it off with A gunsmith that was recently retired out of the Navy. He had "tuned" Match .45's for the Navy pistol teams and knew what to do.

Among other things, he installed a Match barrel and a commercial Barrel Bushing for accuracy.

I fired probably 3,000 or so rounds out of that pistol over the years and never had a malfunction of any sort.

Here are some of the "Rules" I followed:

1. Used only Colt magazines.

2. Used only American G.I. surplus ammo, American made commercial factory ammo or ammo that I had hand loaded.

3. Always kept the gun cleaned and oiled.

If you are having problems with the guns malfunctioning, it might that you are somehow flinching and perhaps not holding the gun rigid enough during the recoil and the action cycling phase.

I check myself for flinching by always looking for the flash/smoke at the end of the barrel when I touch a round off.

On rare occasions, while watching a friend shoot a .45 Auto, when the light is right, I have actually seen rounds flying downrange. .

Also, have a friend video tape you when you are shooting a magazine. When viewing the video tape, take a careful look at your stance, how you recover from recoil, etc.

You might spot something that you are doing wrong.

GOOD LUCK
 
Well....confidence is what it is. You either have it or you don't I guess. My only experience with 1911's are my Wife Colt Officers ACP and my Gun Buddy's Ruger 1911.

My Wife's Colt Officers has maybe 8K rounds thru it as we bought it in the '80's and has *never* missed a lick. Not one jam or failure with 4 mags and every/any kind of ammunition we cared to shoot thru it. My Buddy's Ruger 1911 has about 1500 rounds thru it (I'd guess) and we shot up 400 rounds of ammunition in one sitting between the two of us. Never missed a lick with 2 different mags and 3 types of ammo.

I think maybe you just have bad luck *or* 1911's just are not for you. I'm the same way with S&W M&P 9mm's...I wanna love 'em. They just perform in a less than average way for me and I have stuff like my Glocks and Beretta Px4 that just Rock 'N Roll for me. If yer truly stuck on 1911's and want one to be your main squeeze you'll need to try again.:D Good luck! I guarantee you that the platform is not cursed or against you even though it can feel that way at times.

VooDoo
 
I've also been unlucky with 1911's.
I know other guys have reliable ones, but the ones I had didn't impress me. I'll have one eventually when I can afford to spend enough on something semi-custom that will just plain work. Until then, I'm sticking to other designs and revolvers.
 
Currently own a Springfield Loaded, have also owned two SA Milspecs in the past. Never had a malfunction with any of them while using the factory mags, even with JHPs.

If you're having a function issue while using the factory 7-rd mags and brass cased factory ammunition, I suggest calling Springfield customer service and letting them handle it for you. I've never had to call them, but by all reports I've read they cover shipping both ways and send guns back in working order very rapidly.

Don't give up on everyone's favorite clunky outdated antique steel relic!
 
My RIA is extremely dependable and cost me $350. I did work over the extractor and change to Checkmate mags, but my higher end guns are no more reliable than that RIA, now, for some other reason I might prefer another brand but not for reliability. BTW, I found that my DW's will cycle empty hulls too, pretty impressive I thought. I haven't tried that with the RIA yet.
 
I only use good factory ammo and Wilson 47D magazines with my 1911s. I wouldn't run the steel or aluminum case ammo that I routinely run through my Gen4 G-21 through any of my 1911s. I maintain the 1911s with a good CLP such as Ballistol or FP-10, the Glock is fine using just BreakFree. That's just the way it worked out for me based on my own experience, and I've always felt that the firearms tribal knowledge you figure out for yourself is worth much much more than the stuff you hear or read about. For a next gun, You might consider either a Glock, Smith & Wesson M&P, or a Springfield XD in 45 before considering another 1911.
 
Let's look at a few things...

In 2011 I bought my first 1911, a Springfield Loaded full size model. It was mostly okay but even through a thousand rounds would occasionally jam for no apparent reason. Though I suspected the extractor needed to be tuned, this was supposed to be my main self defense handgun, and I lost confidence in it and sold it.

"...for no apparent reason" There was a reason but neither we nor anyone can help you figure it out for obvious reasons. You suspected the extractor but you figured that you could have no confidence in a gun that you repaired, so you made no effort to repair it or find a solution. So you passed what you suspected was a problem gun on to someone else.

In 2012, I bought a Colt 1991 Government model. Also had reliability problems, even after being sent back to Colt twice. Sold it, wouldn't trust for self defense.

A few weeks ago, I bought another Springfield, this time a Range Officer. Failures to lock back with several magazines (even when making sure I'm not riding the release), and has a stovepipe about every 300 rounds.

I can assure you in none of these cases were there limp wrists. I've been shooting pistols for years, including the very similar Hi Power, and hold the gun quite firmly. Never a problem with any of them except my 1911s.

It isn't a matter of how firm the grip is, it is a matter of a stable platform. It's more a stable wrist. While I can have some confidence that you shoot other guns well and maybe know them, I can see from what you say here that you are unfamiliar with 1911s.

Did any other shooters try these guns of yours and experience the same malfs? Did you ever have an idea of what caused the problems? Or was it magic?

Some shooters have a hard time with 1911s. In 2011 you bought your first and gave up on it pretty quick and never diagnosed the problem. 2012 you got another and gave up on that again without understanding the problem by diagnosing it. Again now you're having trouble.

I hear from some that in order to get an absolutely reliable 1911 you have to spend upwards in the $3k range from a custom maker. Is this true? Or am I just unlucky?

I'd really like to be convinced in favor of the 1911. However, I don't want to trust a pistol that's finicky and has to be sent to the gunsmith in order to get working reliably. I also don't trust lemons, even after they're fixed. It's just me, whether I'm too picky or not is up to you.

The old saw that only a 3K gun will work well is so old and wrong that a fella with a lick of sense should know better.

If you want to know the 1911 and you haven't sold off that Range Officer yet start with that gun. If you lived out my way I'd show you what to do.

Go to the range with 100 rounds of commercial ball ammo. Winchester, Federal, UMC, etc. and the mags that came with the gun. Come back and tell us what happened...exactly.

tipoc
 
It appears that 1911s don't work for you. Move on. There are plenty of fine firearms that do everything 1911s will do. Find something that works for you and enjoy.

FWIW, I have never had good luck with Glocks. The grip just doesn't work for me, leaving me with less control than I like.
 
I would want a reliable gun for SD, not just a certain type of gun...

Give up on the 1911, get a Glock, M&P, something that runs;)

I too must be super lucky as my cheapy SA Milspec runs like a watch, and has never jammed from day 1.
 
I currently have three completely reliable 1911s. I've had others. Some of those were completely reliable, others, not so much. Never spent more than a $1000 on one.
 
i keep saying it. my tisas zig 1911 has 1000 rounds shot without a stopage, and is so accurate you can hit large soup cans at 50 yards. all for the low,low price of less than 350 dollars with an extra mec-gar 8 round mag.
growing up i shot my fathers gi colt and never had a failure. where are you all getting these faulty 1911 pistols?
 
Never had a problem with any of the "full size" 1911's I've owned. Currently have a Kimber TLE and a RugerSR and they run flawlessly. I have had problems with some 1911 compacts. But that still wouldn't deter me from buying another
 
I reckon 1911Tuner will make an appearance but I'll give my 2 cents.

Buy good magazines. The ones that come with the guns are generally not that good. I use Wilson & Tripp primarily and none of my 1911s have issues. When I get a new one, I throw the factory mags in a box and they are never used...
 
Fisherman12 wrote,
Losing Faith in the 1911. Help
I suspect you never had faith in the 1911.

Hey, the gun is not for everybody. Like any gun it has some limitations, but it also has some advantages. Only you can determine if the advantages outweigh the limitations.

In 2011 I bought my first 1911
You and everybody else that decided to jump on the 100 Year Anniversary bandwagon.
 
I hear from some that in order to get an absolutely reliable 1911 you have to spend upwards in the $3k range from a custom maker. Is this true?

Absolutely not.

I have a Remington R1 standard that has never missed a beat, even with cheap magazines and Tula steel cased ammo. $650 gun.

My Kimber Stainless Target II 10mm only ever had issues with the stock recoil spring and full house loads. Went to a 22# spring, nary a malfunction since. $1,000 gun

My Colt Mk IV was used when purchased and had feeding issues. Decent mags and a light throating of the barrel, it's been GTG. Paid $400 for that one.

The Colt Combat Commander I had ran fine out of the box. Practically stole this critter at $375 from an owner who had never fired it.

Even the pair of $275 Llama 1911s I had were unexpectedly reliable.

So yeah, I'd say you've just been unlucky.
 
My 1911s don't run on "faith".
They take cartridges occasional cleaning, and once in a while a bit of maintenance.
All of mine are "cheap" Armscor guns, and they ALL run. I don't have a magic lube I feed them under a full moon, either - they just run.

The OP got frustrated and dumped his guns (I assume at a loss) - multiple times.
The OP didn't bother troubleshooting or investigating, so how can I help?
Answer: I can't.
 
I would say get a cheap 1911 that is closer to the specs of it's intended design. I have read that reliable 1911s are loose as a goose and shoot accurate enough for the intended purpose. They work great in that configuration (lots of slop like an AK.)

These new 1911s with tighter tolerances and extra frills are not the same and will be more sensitive to dirt and debris and everything else that tight, precise, slop free mechanical devices are picky about.

Of course I don't own one and do not have much experience with 1911s but I have done my homework (I have read about them.)

That is my impression.
 
I hear from some that in order to get an absolutely reliable 1911 you have to spend upwards in the $3k range from a custom maker. Is this true? Or am I just unlucky?

Either you are a very unlucky M1911 owner or you have a fundamental operation flaw.

I shoot only 230 grain RN bullets in my 45 ACP m1911s and they performed flawlessly except for the one M1911 with a scope mount. Cases sometime get caught on the scope rail. I shoot cast, plated and jacketed bullets.

Other folks have good success with the modern "designer" self defense bullets but I have had limited success with them. With an almost 1/2" diameter heavy bullet lumbering along, I do not feel the need for an expanding bullet so I have not tried to tune my M1911s for them. Also, my M1911s are not tuned to operate reliably on SWC bullets.

None of my M1911s come anywhere near the $3000 price level. Besides a Colt Mark IV Series 70 and three M1911s that I built, I have a budget priced Thompson (pre-Kahr) M1911. A little polishing (as opposed to re-conturing) of the feed ramp was the only tuning required to make it operate flawlessly.

I know the OP feels that break in of a handgun should not be required but all machines need to be operated a while to make the various parts friendly with each other. A benefit of a $3000 M1911 is the entire gun is smoothed and polished and would need less of a break in period. But, many high end M1911s are built for accuracy and tight tolerances can lead to operation difficulties.

In my opinion, though, break in should be accomplished in a few hundred rounds.

But, if the OP is not comfortable with the M1911, there are other 45 ACP pistols out there.
 
The only semi-auto I own is the Remington R1 1911 (for most of my handgun needs I have revolvers that fill the niche) I have put roughly 845 rounds of mostly WWB with some speer gold dot, and it has never malfunctioned, and I dont do anything special to it , just keep it lubed and cleaned after every shooting trip.
 
In 2011 I bought my first 1911, a Springfield Loaded full size model. It was mostly okay but even through a thousand rounds would occasionally jam for no apparent reason. Though I suspected the extractor needed to be tuned, this was supposed to be my main self defense handgun, and I lost confidence in it and sold it. I don't believe in break-in periods and the like. A self defense handgun should work the first time, everytime, excluding user error and bad ammo.

I do not believe in break in periods either. We are not talking about a 1969 396 needing to seat the rings. I think the 200 round recommendation is to stop the instant phone calls to customer service because within 200 rounds users will become familiar with the pistol, the recoil, where to put their thumbs, learn not to flinch, etc. I had a pistol I called the Jam-O-Matic. I was told by the manufacturer that the recoil spring needed 200 rounds to break it in, and then it should be replaced every 500 rounds. WHAT! :what: That meant I had to spend $80 to $100 dollars and then I only could shoot another 300 before starting the process again!

Your statement is correct, we all desire a 100% reliable firearm for self defense excluding user error and bad ammo. I think you also agree bad magazines.

In 2012, I bought a Colt 1991 Government model. Also had reliability problems, even after being sent back to Colt twice. Sold it, wouldn't trust for self defense.

You have not mentioned the ammunition. I assume you used the factory magazine.


A few weeks ago, I bought another Springfield, this time a Range Officer. Failures to lock back with several magazines (even when making sure I'm not riding the release), and has a stovepipe about every 300 rounds.

See everyone, this guy knows what he is talking about, he correctly suspected the magazines and tried several. I see no reason to dog pile this guy.

As to the stovepipe, I would also consider fatigue. I would reflect on the times and try to remember if the failures happened towards the end of a firing session.


I can assure you in none of these cases were there limp wrists. I've been shooting pistols for years, including the very similar Hi Power, and hold the gun quite firmly. Never a problem with any of them except my 1911s.

Thing is, I want to have a government model as my main defensive pistol. It's a beautiful gun that I shoot very well and accurately. If I could just get a reliable one, it would be my "go to" handgun.

The are pretty firearms indeed. Since I have a couple of BHPs and a CZ85B then you know one of the upgrades the BHP has experienced over the years is an external extractor. I am pretty sure that the S&W 1911 has an external extractor. Some people are into a specific vintage of the 1911, and that is great, they learn that model and enjoy it. But, for self defense, if there is a modern improvement then there is no blasphemy in getting a 1911 with those improvements.

I hear from some that in order to get an absolutely reliable 1911 you have to spend upwards in the $3k range from a custom maker. Is this true? Or am I just unlucky?

My cousin, a career Army Warrant Office, is totally into firearms and values accuracy and reliability above all other factors. He spends wisely but is also willing to spend whatever it takes to get what he wants. He bought a Springfield Armory, and I can't remember which one but it was easily over $1000.00. It would not run. Didn't matter the mags. He contacted them several times and it was the same story, it needs more break in. Well, I will not use the distinctive military dialect he used to describe what he thought of that, but he sold it. He bought a Wilson Combat. First shot and every shot since, no issues, no problems, it runs 100%.


I'd really like to be convinced in favor of the 1911. However, I don't want to trust a pistol that's finicky and has to be sent to the gunsmith in order to get working reliably. I also don't trust lemons, even after they're fixed. It's just me, whether I'm too picky or not is up to you.

I do not trust lemons either, be it a car, or a firearm. Once it has let me down I can't help but think of that every time I see it. Some of us are that way.

Now as to the statements that the 1911 is not for you or you are not able to shoot a 1911 as if it is some level to attain, the High Priest of the order of the 1911, well that to me is just silliness.

The gun was designed to be general purpose. The cult status just inflates the prices, IMO.

I have never owned a true 1911 in 45 ACP. I have had some 1911-like firearms, including the Browning 1911 22LR and a small .380. I did rent one at the range one day and let me tell you this one would feed anything, because I didn't notice that the range officer had given me 40 S&W and it feed it and shot it. :what::eek:

Another thought on break in, I too had a SIG556, and as mine broke in the bolt carrier started slapping the top of the receiver, the part known as the "dust cover" on an AK47. So, in my opinion break in will reveal weakness, not correct them.

So, in closing, I would personally buy a RIA and see if it would run well and if it didn't play with it to see if I could learn what makes one run well. Or I would be a S&W with an external extractor and a well opened ejection port, or I would buy the same model Wilson Combat as my cousin has.

Good luck and I hope you figure out some way to have the 1911 that you seem to want.
 
I had mixed results.

I had a Sistema .45 that apparently had a broken thumb safety, but it also always went bang. I actually greatly miss that gun, would have made a great base for tinkering, and the Sistemas have gone up a lot in price since I got it.

Then I had a Colt Combat Elite that required a factory visit to have the feed ramp recontoured and polished before it would feed anything, including ball, reliably.
 
I have and carry several 1911's (Colt, Kimber, Regent) in several calibers (45acp, 10mm, 38 super) and no malfunctions. My Regent does not like lead SWC rounds.

One of my old Colts used to drop spent casings down the front of my shirt, YIKES!!

I agree with the loss of confidence, but I like, trust, and carry my 1911's.
Good luck finding a replacement SD firearm
 
I have and carry several 1911's (Colt, Kimber, Regent) in several calibers (45acp, 10mm, 38 super) and no malfunctions. My Regent does not like lead SWC rounds.

One of my old Colts used to drop spent casings down the front of my shirt, YIKES!!

I agree with the loss of confidence, but I like, trust, and carry my 1911's.
Good luck finding a replacement SD firearm
I am puzzled, if your 1911's have never malfunctioned and the Regent doesn't like lead SWC rounds, how does it show you it doesn't like them?
 
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