Russia's new military rifle AK-12 and AK-15

lionking said:

there is a civilian version but doubt it will be allowed in U.S.A

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Unless an American company could build them.

Looks good just shooting, might even see something like it in 3 gun if the reloads were not time killers.

The first minute of the top video reminds me of Hollywood, all shooting without a single reload.

I'll take an AK15 with large fries and a Coke please.

The Russians still deploy 7.62x39mm rifles because they have found the smaller 5.45x39mm to perform poorly against urban barriers and some body armors. The larger, heavier, notably more powerful 7.62x39mm defeats these with enough superiority to justify its continued usage in service.

Everyone be careful what we wish for, don’t say “I hope we see those rifles here in the states soon.”

lionking said:

Has some new features..

1 gas block is now one piece with the front sight
2 redesigned dust cover that is lock tight allowing for optics
4 free floated barrel
7 rear sight is a aperture and moved to rear of receiver

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Perhaps a better way to think about AK-12/15 features is to consider them as a holistic design, not a grab bag of changes. All these features were implemented because the main customer wanted an improved accuracy when compared with AK-74M.

The main avenue of improvement was the change in sighting system, with the secondary improvement was the mechanical accuracy. The need to support optical-electronic sighting equipment necessitated the redesigned top cover. Although this is not obvious, the rigidity of the legacy gas piston tube arrangement was not sufficient to support the new top cover, and thus it was changed to the permanently fixed gas piston tube. That is primarily why the front sight tower was relocated: it was not possible to clean the new gas piston tube with the old sight tower in place. The relocated front sight tower plays well with the aperture rear sight. Note that a stump of the old sight tower is still in place in order to support legacy accessories, such as muzzle devices and bayonets.

JCooperfan1911 said:

The Russians still deploy 7.62x39mm rifles because they have found the smaller 5.45x39mm to perform poorly against urban barriers and some body armors.

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I don't think it's entirely fair thing to say. From what I knew, the only thing that keeps Pattern 1943 ammunition in service is the suppressor, PBS. There was never a version of 5.45 developed with bullets heavy enough to operate with a suppressor on legacy barrels. {Update: it is a mystery why they would not roll out updated barrels in AK-74. U.S. certainly did that in M4.}

Operators that need a heavier bullet have access to 9x39 weapons in Russia.

There is a fair amount of nostalgia among retirees for 7.62 rifles, in the same vein as Americans often wax nostalgic about M14, which was objectively an awful weapon. But all the studies that guide the decision-making by the military brass came decisively in favor of 5.45 weapons in measurable combat effectiveness.

Hartkopf said:

Everyone be careful what we wish for, don’t say “I hope we see those rifles here in the states soon.”

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Don't worry, the Taliban has m4's now. Do me a favor though, let them across NY before grabbing them. Or at least save one m4 for me.

As for this Russian thing, ick. That looks like junk compared to a CZ Bren or an AR.

Hartkopf said:

Everyone be careful what we wish for, don’t say “I hope we see those rifles here in the states soon.”

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I hope we see those rifles here in the states soon.

In all seriousness, AK12s and AK15s have been around for awhile though. They (Ruskies) even have a 5.56 version, the AK19:
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/08/26/kalashnikov-concern-ak-19-5-56x45/

Very cool! Love me some AK!

Hartkopf said:

Everyone be careful what we wish for, don’t say “I hope we see those rifles here in the states soon.”

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Not worried about that. If the Russians thought insurgency fighting in their previous occupation of Afghanistan was tough (you know when the US was supporting the Taliban rebels), good luck with what insurgency fighting would look like in trying to take over the USA.

BreechFace said:

Not worried about that. If the Russians thought insurgency fighting in their previous occupation of Afghanistan was tough (you know when the US was supporting the Taliban rebels), good luck with what insurgency fighting would look like in trying to take over the USA.

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Except that most of our fighting age males are soy boys with a cell phone or video games glued to their face. Not quite like fighting religious fanatics who grew up with camel spiders and scorpions as bed mates. In the US, I would bet money that almost everyone willing to step up, would be over the age of 40. Idk if there’s enough of us to worry the CCP or Russia.

earlthegoat2 said:

Unless an American company could build them.

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that sounds like it'd be right up Kalashnikov USA's alley, and I've heard that rumor