deth
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I wanna know what the best foregrip for an assault rifle is for more stabilisation and less recoil when firing. Obviously I don't use guns but want to expand my knowledge on and about them. Thanks in advance.
Best Foregrip for an Assault Rifle?
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First off, assault rifle is a made up term unless you are talking about an actual select fire, intermediate cartridge rifle like an actual AK or STG-44. If talking about an AR-15, then it is a rifle, sporting rifle, black rifle...but it is not an assault rifle.
There is no "best". What works best for one shooter might be terrible for someone else. I've used a stubby foregrip and liked it, but I don't run a foregripe on my AR, or my FAL. My AR runs a smooth float tube, no rails, no nothing. It just works better for me.
There is no "best". What works best for one shooter might be terrible for someone else. I've used a stubby foregrip and liked it, but I don't run a foregripe on my AR, or my FAL. My AR runs a smooth float tube, no rails, no nothing. It just works better for me.
Yeah assault rifle isn't a type of gun.... what gun do you need a foregrip for AR-15, SCAR, FAL? be more specific.
Lol ya know I kind of had to laugh at myself the other day when I was mid way through saying this because the topic was squad weapons and half way through saying it it clicked in my head SAW literally stands for squad assault weapon XD
You just get so used to having to repeat that phrase over and over that I brain farted XD
troy fairweather
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A salt shaker.
troy fairweather
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Wait how is it Obvious you don't use guns?
In my time in the Army "SAW" stood for squad automatic weapon.
Ah and all of a sudden everything is right with the world once more. Thank you.
Space Ghost
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You just joined this week, and only have a few posts.
First thing is, welcome to the high road. Second, you're using scary / stupid phrases like "assault rifle". That tells me one of two things...
1. You're an anti-gun liberal troll, because that's the term those idiots use to scare the **** out of people who don't know anything about firearms... in which case I take back my welcome... or
2. You are very inexperienced with firearms and are looking to learn.
If it's #2, the welcome stands, but I still can't answer your question. Not because I don't want to, but because it's a personal question. What's "best" for me, may not be best for you. Different people like different things, and they set their guns up different ways. I'm gonna guess you're talking about a typical popular defensive type firearm like an AR or AK platform rifle. In doing so I'll start by saying that the calibers these normally come in don't recoil as much as a light weight large caliber hunting rifle, so don't worry about recoil. My daughter was shooting my ARs at 10 years old. Enemy combatant kids were shooting at me with AKs, and they looked to be no more than 14 years old in some cases... Either of these in their normal calibers are pretty easy for even a novice to handle, the AR being the most easy of the two. As far as what grip (if any) to put on a rifle, that depends on what is more comfortable for you. I use a stubby vertical foregrip, but that's because it's the most comfy for my wrist. You might be different. handle a few, and see what ones you like.
Also... quit saying stupid crap like "assault rifle." It's just a rifle. You can do a lot a stuff with it besides "assault" people / things.
First thing is, welcome to the high road. Second, you're using scary / stupid phrases like "assault rifle". That tells me one of two things...
1. You're an anti-gun liberal troll, because that's the term those idiots use to scare the **** out of people who don't know anything about firearms... in which case I take back my welcome... or
2. You are very inexperienced with firearms and are looking to learn.
If it's #2, the welcome stands, but I still can't answer your question. Not because I don't want to, but because it's a personal question. What's "best" for me, may not be best for you. Different people like different things, and they set their guns up different ways. I'm gonna guess you're talking about a typical popular defensive type firearm like an AR or AK platform rifle. In doing so I'll start by saying that the calibers these normally come in don't recoil as much as a light weight large caliber hunting rifle, so don't worry about recoil. My daughter was shooting my ARs at 10 years old. Enemy combatant kids were shooting at me with AKs, and they looked to be no more than 14 years old in some cases... Either of these in their normal calibers are pretty easy for even a novice to handle, the AR being the most easy of the two. As far as what grip (if any) to put on a rifle, that depends on what is more comfortable for you. I use a stubby vertical foregrip, but that's because it's the most comfy for my wrist. You might be different. handle a few, and see what ones you like.
Also... quit saying stupid crap like "assault rifle." It's just a rifle. You can do a lot a stuff with it besides "assault" people / things.
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ALCON: Take a look at deth's profile and the content of his (only) five posts.
He's from the UK (hence no guns no experience), and appears to be a youngster/probably a kid.
Take that into account in reply.
...and be glad you don't live there.
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He's from the UK (hence no guns no experience), and appears to be a youngster/probably a kid.
Take that into account in reply.
...and be glad you don't live there.
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chicharrones
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Seems like this is available in Britain. I wonder if a vertical forward grip is allowed on it?
https://www.southern-gun.co.uk/9mm
https://www.southern-gun.co.uk/9mm
badkarmamib
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Since the OP asked specifically about assault rifles, and specified that he doesn't use guns, I will take the query at face value and say that the best foregrip for controlling recoil during small caliber automatic fire would typically be a vertical foregrip, something full-hand length, as typically seen on M4s
or possibly a forward-cant dong as is found on some AK47s
But, a lot of it will be dependent on the person handling the weapon.
or possibly a forward-cant dong as is found on some AK47s
But, a lot of it will be dependent on the person handling the weapon.
badkarmamib
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I truly believe that we will be the cause of death of out hobby...
lol I have occasionally had the same thought. As a whole I think we need to be more understanding of the uninitiated/uniformed people if we want to expand and grow the gun community and not rely on external factors to create new gun enthusiast. The gun community as a whole favors people who already have a basic understanding of things. Too many critics not enough teachers.
That being said I find THR is better than most places when it comes to these things that's why I like it here.
AlexanderA
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The gun community itself is guilty of extending the term "assault rifle" to describe things like the AR-15. This was considered cool and edgy back in the 1970's. It seems somewhat disingenuous to complain about the usage now.
Anyway, by now, everybody knows what is being talked about. Raising the issue makes us seem like hair-splitting pedants.
Anyway, by now, everybody knows what is being talked about. Raising the issue makes us seem like hair-splitting pedants.
brunowbe
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Hello fellow gun enthusiast.
It wasn't accurate then, and it's not accurate now. If we don't change the perception that the AR is an assault rifle, which it is not, then the antis take more ground.
Sticking to the post: First, after a certain amount of experience being involved with almost anything, you learn there is no "best." There is an object or device which performs the task complying with measurable standards of performance, and then there are others which do fewer of them.
Along with that, you learn Best is the enemy of Good - that seeking complete perfection may come at a very high cost, when Good would get the job done with acceptable limits. Getting into things, if the product does about 85% of it right, it can dominate the market for a long time. The AR is like that, it's been really hard to improve it.
Putting a foregrip on an AR won't mechanically reduce the recoil. That takes changing the actual weight of the finished rifle, the reciprocating weight of the bolt carrier, it's speed, what timing the gas action has, and how the muzzle device operates. All the foregrip does it help hold up the front handguard with a largely vertical hold instead of horizontal. Also, the AR15 doesn't have substantial recoil. We were taught and it was demonstrated that you can hold the weapon against your chin and discharge it. I wont dislocate your jaw, with a smooth buttstock it won't break your skin.
Basically, you buy a foregrip because it might be more comfortable, offer a way to mount a switch for a light or laser, and here in America, because so many accessorize their AR's to look cool online yet they don't really spend time at the range. Not 10,000 rounds a year of SERIOUS training time. It's more a Big Boy Toy than something they plan on using for actual self defense, unlike a soldier. They will say they do - but our crime rate even with 20 million immigrants and our own citizens who are bad boys simply don't warrant use of a rifle. It is statiscally the least popular weapon class in the United
States for self protection. Handguns are #1, Shotguns #2 if I remember correctly.
That is the REAL story behind a lot of what is presented in fantasy movies, games, etc. Its not what we think and having served, worked with weapons, and getting deployed, you discover that if you actually pointed an M4/M16 toward the enemy and pulled the trigger, you are likely in a much smaller and rarer group of people than outsiders actually know.
The M16 and its variants have been issued since 1965 with the XM177 being the first accepted. We used it until the late 1990's before it was capable of even mounting a foregrip, which is about 35 years where the lack of one wasn't even noted. What changed were tactics, instead of assuming the prone position on the ground to return fire, we began to fight standing up, a major difference and one that has influenced how it's shot and what accompanying equipment it might use. That even changes the angle of the rear grip, too.
There is no Best, it doesn't reduce recoil, and good luck picking one out. That is the reality.
So do I. We should take a more non-defensive and aggressive role when anyone makes an incorrect comment about firearms. As many of us have mastered certain firearms that we prefer many of us should also master the responses for the uneducated individuals that points out their stupidity or better yet their lack of knowledge on that topic. Just because you do not know it does not make you stupid. It was not Einstein that coined the following but is given credit for it so whomever said I quote "If you cannot explain it to a 6 year old, you don't understand it yourself.
So we should come up with better responses to defend our sport and hobby.
AlexanderA
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There is a personal-defense dimension.
People that are involved with guns can be divided into hobbyists (including target shooters and hunters), and serious users. There is also a civic aspect (the 2nd Amendment rationale) that hangs in the background.
AlexanderA
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Depending on the context, "assault" can be either a crime, or a military tactic. (Assault tactics were an innovation by the Germans in WW1, and in WW2 they also pioneered weapons -- intermediate-round, selective fire -- that were particularly useful in such tactics.)
The gun community sees an "assault weapon / rifle" almost exclusively in the latter context. The antigunners have managed to conflate the two, so that, in the popular mind, an "assault weapon" is a tool to facilitate crime. But we gave them an opening by which to do this.
At this point, insisting on the proper terminology is as fruitless as insisting that a "clip" is not a "magazine." These distinctions are meaningless to the ordinary man on the street.
bassjam
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Here is an article I ran across a few years ago when I was trying to understand myself the point of a vertical foregrip and it points to why they initially became available on the M4, which is a true assault rifle. I tried a stubby on one of my AR's (which as others have pointed out is not an assault rifle) but didn't care for it so my AR's are all plain now.
https://www.everydaymarksman.co/equipment/vertical-foregrip/
https://www.everydaymarksman.co/equipment/vertical-foregrip/
bassjam
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OP has stated he wants to learn. If that's an honest statement, he doesn't want to be an ordinary man on the street so educating on the difference between an assault rifle and a semi automatic sporting rifle is important.
jmorris
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“Assault rifle” is a term a liberal uses to make a semiautomatic rifle sound like they would kill people on their own if we didn’t keep them unloaded.
Not a lot of people use them in 3 gun, even fewer are the people that win with them. Many different compensators will keep the muzzle flat and allow a better support arm position.
Something like this.
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