Hodgdon closing GOEX plant
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Funny as that’s what I thought were Schuetzen to reopen Goex. With their name on it per se they may well make a higher quality Goex and improve Olde Eynsford a little.
My thoughts as well. I work with a group to promote and instruct in youth shooting sports. Schuetzen supports us with powder and caps. Goex hasn't returned a call or an email. Just because of that I don't care one bit about them.
1KPerDay
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question: It's my understanding that GOEX was the primary mfg of military powders for artillery shells, etc.
does this mean they're not seeing the need for BP for munitions? No way they would close if they had a fat military/gov contract, right?
does this mean they're not seeing the need for BP for munitions? No way they would close if they had a fat military/gov contract, right?
Jim Watson
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As I recall, after the last fire at the DuPont plant, they repaired it with the intention of filling current government contracts and then shutting down black powder manufacture as too hazardous. But Gearhart and Owens bought it out and kept it in operation as GOEX. Then Hodgdon bought up GOEX. Now the Hodgdons have concluded BP is scary and will get out of the business. Maybe somebody will bail out American powder production yet again.
hawg
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Wano/Sheutzen has expressed an interest in buying the Goex plant but I haven't heard any more about it.
A good friend who works in the "military/industrial complex" tells me the military stopped using black powder in artillery ammo a long time ago.
Dave
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Perhaps that’s the core reason for the shutdown.
hawg
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They still use some in fuses etc. and for charges in practice bombs. They haven't used it in a main charge since they quit using the 16 inch guns on battleships.
Captain*kirk
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hawg
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Someone posted this on the Muzzleloading Forum and it's getting spread around but both this and the Dupont thing are just unfounded rumors at this point.
Malachi Leviticus Blue
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Ya, I've seen where Sheutzen acknowledged the Goex plant closing and promised to help get more powder into the hands of shooters, but I haven't seen anything even close to them publicly expressing an interest in buying the plant.
hawg
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I think it was in one of the early press releases Hodgdon put out that Wano was interested in it but wherever it was I can't find it now. The Hodgdon site says "The business will wind down operations while an evaluation process on the future of the black powder business takes place. Strategic options for the GOEX and Olde Eynsford brands of black powder, along with the manufacturing capabilities, will include a potential sale of the business". https://hodgdon.com/minden-closure/
twarr1
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The Minden plant was obsolete when it was built. The only value I see is possibly IP and permits.
Anybody who thinks for one minute that Goex/Hogdon cares one bit about us who shoot black powder is delusional.
Recently Hogdon showed their true colors to their employees with an internal HR memo mandating vaccines or get fired. It went public and Hogdon HR immediately released a statement completely different, in short, Hogdon HR lied to head off a potential firestorm in their customer base. Think they care about you? It's all about you spending your money with them. Hogdon/Goex can pound sand.
Recently Hogdon showed their true colors to their employees with an internal HR memo mandating vaccines or get fired. It went public and Hogdon HR immediately released a statement completely different, in short, Hogdon HR lied to head off a potential firestorm in their customer base. Think they care about you? It's all about you spending your money with them. Hogdon/Goex can pound sand.
Blackpowderwarrior
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Dave,
Through your posts on Hodgdons behavior, I've come to find things about them that to me are unacceptable.
If I ever have to buy powder again it won't be from them.
Jim Watson
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You know of a more ethical powder distributor?
Captain*kirk
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Possibly not more "ethical", however Schuetzen has a very good safety record compared to the DuPont, GOEX/Hodgdon safety record, which is dismal in comparison. Maybe what they're NOT telling us is that their liability insurance was canceled as of Jan. 1st?
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Distributor? Grafs, Buffalo Arms, powder valley. I personally shoot mostly Swiss. I do have some OE I was playing with but Swiss is the best suited for my purposes.
Jim Watson
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I have used amost entirely Swiss.
But if you need nitro, the selection gets small if you don't like the Hogdons.
But if you need nitro, the selection gets small if you don't like the Hogdons.
midland man
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i've never used swiss is it stronger or do i just load it the same as i did with goex? plus where can i get swiss now??
hawg
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It's stronger but you wont be able to tell just by shooting it. Everybody is out of stock right now. I get it from Powder Inc. but they're out of stock until May. Shipping and hazmat is included in the price.
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