Best aperture sight for a Marlin 1894 Cowboy lever action rifle?

What is the best aperture sight for a Marlin 1894 Cowboy Limited rifle ?

  • #1. Skinner

    Votes: 13 41.9%
  • #2. Ranger Point

    Votes: 9 29.0%
  • #3. Other (please add note in comments if you would)

    Votes: 9 29.0%

  • Total voters
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I am NOT going to use my Marlin 1894 Cowboy Limited in 45(LC) for SASS shooting. That is a GREAT pursuit but not on my calendar just now. It WILL be used for range work and occasional deer hunting.

I DO want t replace the semi buckhorn with an aperture sight of some kind. I do not want to put a scope on this rifle.

I have been told that Skinner sights often require replacement of the front post whereas Ranger Point apertures do not. I do NOT know how accurate this is, if at all.

Any advice or comments, and of course your vote in the poll, would be greatly appreciated.
 
I've yet to own a Skinner or Ranger Point. I have Williams and XD on my lever guns.

I tell ya what I really like about the Ranger Point is the protective wings and low mounting. I'm curious how much elevation adjustment is in the Ranger Point? (Edit: looks like from .26" to .36")

I like Williams, and have several on different rifles, but they sure seem fragile with the way they are exposed on top of the gun.
 
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I replaced the buckhorn sight on a Henry with a Skinner sight. It covered as much or more of the target than the buckhorn did. It now sits in a parts box because Skinner was not open to me returning it. There is nothing wrong with the quality of the sight though.

I am using a tang peep now and really like it.
 
I have a Skinner and a Ranger Point.
The skinner was part of the package when I bought a Henry .22 mag. It was shooting waaaay low.Skinner did send me a higher front sight and that helped. The Ranger is on my Rossi 92 .45LC and I just personally like it better.
 
I have not used Skinner, but recently bought a Ranger Point rear for my Henry Big Boy and I am pleased with it.

I did not need to replace my front sight. Was spot on. Can’t speak for Marlin, but based on what I’ve read should be the same experience.
 
I have Williams, Lyman, Marble, Redfield and Skinner aperture sights on many of my long guns. For the lever guns, Winchester (2), and half a dozen Marlins I like them all but do have some favorites. I'm a hunter but spend 90% of my shooting time working up loads or plinking here on our home, farm range right out the back door...pretty much 7 days a week. Here's the break down:

Williams: quality products that fits every factory drilled Winchester and Marlin I've tried. I like their Foolproof model with target knobs the best since it allows easy adjustment for varying loads. Removing the threaded peep aperture allows it to be used for close in deer and plinking...say up to 75 yds with 2" - 3" accuracy from a rest. Williams also makes a receiver top sight, that uses the scope mounting holes in the top of the receiver...WGRS model. It's easy to use but finicky to adjust if you use more than one load...it's a zero it for your main load and leave it alone model. Both the Foolproof and WGRS are good sights, but made from aluminum so don't get too aggressive with the screw driver when mounting them. I own 4 of them and two are currently on my 1894 Marlins...I like 'em you could say.

Marbles makes tang mounted peeps...good strong, steel sights that do have windage adjustments on some models. A must have in my book, as using the non-windage adj. models requires shimming the sight base to get some lateral movement, or drifting your front sight an appropriate amt. Tang mounted peeps put the aperture closer to your aiming eye but will not endanger same in recoil, at least in my .35 Rem, .30-30, & .38-55 rifles. I do have a pair of .44 Mag's but have never tang peep sighted them. Mounting the tang requires two holes through the receiver grip extensions, so some drilling and tapping is usually required for modern, post Korean War lever guns. In my use, I like the receiver mounted peeps better, either screwed to the scope mounting holes, or more commonly, with the left hand side holes, (2) with both Williams and Lyman peeps.

Lyman...great company with models of receiver and tang peeps going back well over 100 years. I like and use both types, with models that date from the early post WWll period. Some of the old ones, steel constructed, are quite pricey now...but the modern aluminum ones work as well in my experience for hunting in really tough conditions. As with the Williams receiver sights, I like the ones that have easily adj. knobs. For hunting, the screw driver slotted ones make a lot of sense and give a neater, less obtrusive look to the gun and don't interfere with a lever gun's slim receiver...that lack of bulge mid-ships is at least half the reason most guys like them so much. Lymans and Marbles receiver sights, mounted to the left side of the gun are equally good IMHO.

Skinner: great sights that don't clutter up the gun. They're easy to mount, especially on a Marlin but somewhat difficult to zero. The first one I bought, I got the winged model, but quickly found that the wingless is just as tough, and easier to adjust for your hunting or usual load. Adjustment involves screwing the peep shaft in or out to accommodate elevation needs, then loosening the attachment screws and tapping for windage. Trial and error that'll burn up a bunch of ammunition if you're unlucky. I have two of them, like them and never NEVER change loads. They're slim, and "look" right on a Marlin. Both of mine did not need a higher front sight. (.357 1894, .44 Mag 336, .41 Mag 1894S)

1st Pic: .41 1894 with a Williams Foolproof
2nd Pic: bottom Marlin with a Williams WGRS
3rd Pic: Winchester .25-20 with a Marbles tang
4th Pic: 1889 Marlin .38-40 with a very old Marbles Tang
5th Pic: Springfield 1903 M2 .22 lr fitted with a Lyman 48. Rt side mounting was standard for the Springfield. The lower '03 is a National Match from 1931 with O'hare sight covers protecting the ladder rear and blade front sights.

HTH's Rod

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I have a Williams WGRS on my 1895 and a marlin model 60. I like it aesthetically better than the skinner or ranger point, but it does have a tendency to have the screws come loose which is a pretty major weak point. If the screw comes loose on either the elevation or windage adjustments the sight will just fall off its dovetail which I had happen once on my model 60. I would like to try a range point on mine because of this.

The one thing that all three of these have in common that I don't like is that they all need tools such as mini screw drivers or allen wrenches to adjust which most people don't keep on them and is less than ideal. A side mounted or tang mount sight with screw adjustments would be nicer to use but I don't really like the look of them and they sort of clutter up the gun.
 
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I put a Ranger Point on my Marlin 336. I like the smooth adjustment without clicks. I have had trouble with it having enough adjustment in elevation to shoot all the different loads I want to try. However, I'm shooting everything from 160 grain FTX at 2200 fps to 135 grain cast at 1200 fps. I had to get a Skinner front sight Patridge blade and file it down to hopefully get the full range of elevations out to 100 yards. I'm not sure if I've succeeded or if I'll have to end up with a scope to get the full range of stuff I'm after. I have it basically zeroed for elevation with a fast load of LeverEvolution powder and 150 grain round nose. Now I need to fine tune it (no more filing I hope) and see if it will go up enough for the cast loads. My factory front bead sight was 0.300" high. The Skinner front sight was 0.400" when new. I filed it down to 0.350" and have taken another 0.080" off after that. However, I set the rear sight half a screw turn from the bottom and worked up by adjusting the front sight. I have two full turns of elevation left on the rear, which is about 9 1/2" of elevation at 100 yards, based on the thread pitch and sight radius. If needed I think I can lower them about 2 inches.
 
Can't speak as to Williams, XS, but have put two Skinners &, 3 RP, & 1 Marbles tang on lever action rifles.
All seem of good quality. Like the tang for longer range target shooting, but can get on the receiver peeps faster for hunting.
Have come to prefer RP for a couple reasons:
- All three RP worked with factory front sights. Both Skinners required taller fronts.
- RP are easier & more precise to adjust.
 
Williams: Williams also makes a receiver top sight, that uses the scope mounting holes in the top of the receiver...WGRS model. It's easy to use but finicky to adjust if you use more than one load...it's a zero it for your main load and leave it alone model. Both the Foolproof and WGRS are good sights, but made from aluminum so don't get too aggressive with the screw driver when mounting them. I own 4 of them and two are currently on my 1894 Marlins...I like 'em you could say.

I have a Williams WGRS on my 1895 and a marlin model 60. I like it aesthetically better than the skinner or ranger point, but it does have a tendency to have the screws come loose which is a pretty major weak point. If the screw comes loose on either the elevation or windage adjustments the sight will just fall off its dovetail which I had happen once on my model 60. I would like to try a range point on mine because of this.

The one thing that all three of these have in common that I don't like is that they all need tools such as mini screw drivers or allen wrenches to adjust which most people don't keep on them and is less than ideal. A side mounted or tang mount sight with screw adjustments would be nicer to use but I don't really like the look of them and they sort of clutter up the gun.

Good notes about the WGRS. I really like the design of the WGRS as a set it and forget it sight, but not sure how long it will go without being pounded loose. I haven't had a problem with the WGRS I have on a .22 mag bolt gun, but that kind of gun isn't exactly a sight hammer. Which an autoloading .22 could be.
 
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Williams Sight WGRS-336. Product # 070018 Most of my Marlins wear this sight. It is adjustable for windage and elevation. It makes it much easier for old eyes like mine to produce “respectable groups”. I have never had to change out a front sight to make this sight work. Due to my failing eyesight it is the reason I can enjoy my lever guns again. I really don’t like scoping a lever action. Your mileage may vary ,……… Tentwing
 
I replaced the buckhorn sight on a Henry with a Skinner sight. It covered as much or more of the target than the buckhorn did. It now sits in a parts box because Skinner was not open to me returning it. There is nothing wrong with the quality of the sight though.

I am using a tang peep now and really like it.
Drill it out.
 
Good notes about the WGRS. I really like the design of the WGRS as a set it and forget it sight, but not sure how long it will go without being pounded loose. I haven't had a problem with the WGRS I have on a .22 mag bolt gun, but that kind of gun isn't exactly a sight hammer. Which an autoloading .22 could be.

I’ve actually had mine fall off the dovetail on my 22 two different times but amazingly found it both times. Now I tighten them down pretty tight. I’ve been meaning to swap out the slotted screws for torx screws so I can actually get them tight. Once I do that I’ll probably make a cavity behind the recoil pad to hold the correct torx wrench. I always have a leatherman to take the recoil pad off, but I don’t carry around torx bits or micro screw drivers.
 
For those using tang sights, what brand/type is a good one. If my Ranger Point doesn’t have enough range to cover everything that might be my choice instead of a scope.
 
I have Lyman and Williams peeps on my Marlins and 1894 Trapper .44 Mag.

I have a Skinner on a Henry youth .22.

I like the Lyman the best, it works very well on my Marlin 1895G.

Stay safe.
 
Thanks. Never saw that. I also have their rail for my Ruger GSR. I might have to seek out that aperture for mine.
 
I have MVA verniers on a few of my rifles. They are probably overkill for hunting, I really like the Marbles for that. The MVA is a quality product that will serve you well. Here’s my 1893 Marlin and an 1885 Winchester with the MVA #130. 735427B2-B041-48ED-A932-A13103082A72.jpeg 74F6C484-FD6E-4A08-BE61-9C864D91260E.jpeg
 
Thanks. Never saw that. I also have their rail for my Ruger GSR. I might have to seek out that aperture for mine.

Check out the two options for Threaded Stem here. One is normal height, one is long (taller). I want to say I bought the long version for my Marlin. https://xssights.com/ghost-ring-apertures/

Sorry I couldn't dig that out on my phone last night.
 
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