Traditions finds new way to separate ML shooters from their money

Not legal in PA in PA for anything muzzle loader. If it qualifies as centerfire, it is legal in the regular rifle seasons. The idea is hardly new. Harry Pope made muzzle loading centerfire match guns back in the 1880's. Bullet loaded down the front and a centerfire case full of powder in the chamber.

Malachi Leviticus Blue said:

I do like the idea of the safety aspect of being able unload easily versus driving around with a loaded rifle in the back seat after a hunt.
However, I'm not likely to pay for it.
I don't even thing powder pellets make sense to me.
It's not that hard to measure powder.

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I too do not care for powder pellets. Never used them, but I like being able to adjust my charge weight to see what my rifle likes. Also you can drive around with a flintlock or percussion gun just fine in the truck, even with powder and ball in them. For the flinter, clean the pan of any powder, put in half cock, and make sure the frizzen and pan cover is up. For a percussion rifle, just remove the cap. There, done. If you are super paranoid, stick a tooth pick in the flash hole or nipple to ensure there is no way spark or fire can magically creep in there from unforeseen sources. That would be every bit as safe as riding with no powder and ball in the rifle.

And just how much effort would it take to relieve that 'chamber' of it's bullet stop?

usaral63 said:

And just how much effort would it take to relieve that 'chamber' of it's bullet stop?

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Not much effort at all I suspect, but that would make the rifle even less useful than it is already.
There would be no point in doing so.

Right, that is not going to make it into a standard caliber you can buy ammo for at the hardware store.
It would probably disqualify it from special season hunting, the places where it is allowed now.

.455_Hunter said:

I would be happy with a roughly 1870 cut-off for muzzleloading technology.

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Same here!

I would have never perceived a market for such a gun (as shown by the OP) in the first place.
But if it gets someone out hunting, that should be a good thing nowadays...

JT

The entire modern muzzleloading industry has put all their eggs and research into making “muzzleloading” as easy as possible and making it as close as possible to modern firearm hunting.

“Hey, it gets more hunters out there” is the usual cry but I don’t really think it does.

I’m not against it regardless. I use an old technology online from time to time. The Knight MK-85. That’s about as high tech as I care about.

usaral63 said:

And just how much effort would it take to relieve that 'chamber' of it's bullet stop?

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That's what I was thinking of...

Like the "pistol brace" to "help disabled veterans shoot."

They can sell a "throat reaming kit" for that.

Snidely70431 said:

Mr Roberts designed the 257 Roberts.

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Not exactly but that is a different legend.

If it doesn't have a lock on the side it doesn't float my boat. Psuedo muzzleloaders hold no interest for me.

doubleh said:

If it doesn't have a lock on the side it doesn't float my boat. Psuedo muzzleloaders hold no interest for me.

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Likewise and even some of those don't work for me.

Snidely70431 said:

Still listening to AM radio? Driving a Model T?

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Of course not but if I am going to shoot muzzleloaders I want them to be true to what they originally were. If I want a rifle to out perform the traditional smokepole I'll go with a smokeless cartridge rifle.

I'm all for just about anything that draws more interest to shooting BP (and even the modern subs if that is really what you want to shoot)
I know a few folks who started with more modern inline rifles, got hooked, and went backwards in technology and enjoyed it.

I'm one of them, started hunting with modern firearms, got into black powder, been there ever since. I still take a modern cartridge gun out every now and then but still prefer the soot makers.

Is the next step after thinking about " endeavor to persevere " declare war on the Union?

Snidely70431 said:

Still listening to AM radio? Driving a Model T?

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Are you still using 3 pole electrical service? Aesthetics is part and parcel to muzzle loading. The lock and flint system is a reminder and tribute to other times.

That said, considering what my Dad has been offered for his ancient Pontiac it would appear a number of persons would go back to "1965" auto technology.

Plenty of folks assume why others are into anything, including muzzleloading.
Not everyone is overly worried about historical correctness, and plenty can't even decide what that is or even cling to misconceptions as fact.
Not every BP shooter is worried about the style of the stitching on their trousers when shooting BP, but there is always someone else that will point out it's wrong.
Some folks like to use Pyrodex or other subs, some folks think Muzzleloaders should only burn Black Powder.
Some folks will be adamant about a whole list of "correct" features or techniques, but then think nothing of putting plastic grips on their C&B revolver.
Some folks will look down on other BP shooters for their choices and some folks will welcome one and all to the club.

A friend of mine has one, and really likes it. He is a disabled 'Nam vet and has told me several times that this rifle is much easier to load than his Remington 700 ML and also easier to clean. It shoots very accurately as well. Just as good as any centerfire rifle. My old pal doesn't care about traditional muzzleloaders, only putting meat in his freezer. If that's your only concern then this rifle is perfect. Otherwise, best to give this one a miss.

Mac

Let us see how many are being used five years from now. Or if you can even get the “sticks”.

I think PA was flintlock, patched round ball, with open iron sights, but could be wrong.