Zerodefect
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I hate that scam. And take being considered a mark personally now. Its insulting.
Usually I send those guys running.
Usually I send those guys running.
Self defense while getting gas
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That represents a complete misunderstanding of the legal principle.
Never.
That's ridiculous.
Depends upon the circumstances.
Verifiable?
That has been featured in central movies.
Meaningless.
One may not lawfully "spray bullets". One may, if it is immediately necessary, employ deadly force by using a firearm to prevent imminent death or serious injury. However, one may not do so without exercising reasonable care to avoid endangering innocent bystanders.
Spraying a volatile, flammable fluid on or around people or property cannot be done with reasonable care. The actor would be liable for any attendant damage and injury.
I recommend taking the Law of Self Defense course or MAG-20.
Hugger-4641
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Yeah, well if I'm ever in that situation, the legal details will come second to defending myself and family. If I have time to produce my firearm, then I would. If not, he's getting hit with whatever's in my hand at the moment. If that happens to be a gas nozzle, that's what he'll get.
I don't know you, but I seriously doubt that if you were in that situation and only had a fraction of a second to become aware and react that you wouldn't do whatever was needed.
If I'm wrong, then please enlighten us on what you would do if you found yourself in that situation with no time to produce a weapon.
thirty-eight
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Right on. And you certainly didn't offend me.
Yep, within limits, and it could be your cell phone, but it should never be gasoline.
See this; it'is well worth the time and money:
https://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/class/dynamic-threat-assessment-situational-awareness/
Is a 22 the only handgun you have?
You "feel" a 22 is a good caliber for quickly incapacitating somebody(s) before they can inflict serious or lethal injury to you?
This is an example of how someone can be shot and not quickly incapacitated, I think these were 9mm Gold Dot:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/v...deputy-soaks-up-12-rounds-before-hes-stopped/
If I had better handgun options, I'd carry them.
If you are armed, have a plan and you practice that plan you will be fine. Situational awareness is key.
N555
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I drive an electric car, so when I do go get gas for the lawn mower I make sure to have a zippo lighter.
Give a perp your wallet and car and keep them warm for a few days, maybe a week. Soak a perp with gasoline and light them up and you keep them warm for the rest of their life.
Give a perp your wallet and car and keep them warm for a few days, maybe a week. Soak a perp with gasoline and light them up and you keep them warm for the rest of their life.
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scaatylobo
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As paranoid as it might seem,I too passed 70 a few years back.
I look MUCH fitter than I am,2 replaced knees & a total shoulder.
So CQB up close & sweaty is a bad option,one I reserve for a nuclear option [ just passed TSHTF & TEOTWAWKI ].
I would not rely on that pea shooter to save your buttt IF it gets that close.
And I am not in favor of the gun either [ yes I am armed 24/7/365 ] as that will be a major headache in the courts etc.
IF you get your spidie sense up,or you see ANYTHING AT ALL that could be an issue ----- UNASS THAT A/O asap.
The best fight you will ever win,is the one your did not get into,I promise you that.
If required,get in your vehicle as "it" [ trouble in any form ] approaches and unass that area.
You can always call the po po and explain you did not skip that gas up bill and will pay it IF they can meet you there to assure your safety [ DO play the old man card ].
If your are forced into a face to face Mace is your friend.
Just know you will get some on you and you need to know how and when to act & react.
Ignore me if you like,my 'creds' are 25 years living in New York City.
Then a cop in a small city in NYS for 26 years.
Plus a "few" decades of martial arts and shooting instructor.
earplug
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I have a hard time accessing my firearm while seated with pocket carry. I'm concerned about carjacking or mugging. I added a reliable pistol that is easy to reach while inside the vehicle.
The Night Rider
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John Corriea is a known, recognized SME, I don't have the slightest idea who you are.
I know who I'm going to listen to.
Good Ol' Boy
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This is certainly an issue for a lot of folks, I'm just not one of them.
I live in the sticks and make it a point to fill up in the sticks. I still keep my head on a swivel because who knows.
But I'm certainly outside the realm of where most of your internet vidoes of gas stations having incidents are.
I live in the sticks and make it a point to fill up in the sticks. I still keep my head on a swivel because who knows.
But I'm certainly outside the realm of where most of your internet vidoes of gas stations having incidents are.
Are you kidding? C'mon, man.
This innocent motorist fueling his vehicle did the absolute epitome of "reasonable" behavior using the pump. It would have been no different if he was attacked at a barbecue and clobbered the assailant with a glass bottle of ketchup or mayonnaise. It was the tool he had IN HIS HAND with no premeditation.
He thankfully saved his own life!
theotherwaldo
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So he's supposed to stand and take the Birkenhead Drill rather than give some punks a face full of diesel.
And do it in the name of public safety.
Right.
And do it in the name of public safety.
Right.
Brutus54
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Some years ago I was filling up my car and I look up and see two guys park next to the office and pull down face masks and walk inside. I was almost done filling my tank and would have been inside getting change if they arrived 2 minutes later. I stopped pumping the gas and started to get ready to leave when they both pulled up their masks and everyone laughed. Just friends punking their buddy working the register. Now if I was inside getting my change,I was carrying a .357 revolver in a shoulder holster not sure what the outcome would have been. I went inside to get my change and never said anything to them.
RetiredUSNChief
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For crying out loud, folks...have any of you suggesting dousing someone with gasoline ACTUALLY done anything with gasoline in such a manner? Or at least reviewed some youtube videos of people playing with gasoline in a somewhat less-than-intelligent manner?
Gasoline is EXTREMELY volatile and doing something like this is pretty much setting yourself up for a poor man's fuel-air-explosive.
And you CAN'T control it, either, once it ignites...and it's very easy to ignite.
The liquid gas will continue to flash to vapor in the heat of the fire, causing more fire to flare up. The heat from the flaming fire will cause the hot air to rise rapidly, which will draw in fresh air underneath where the fire is at...causing MORE flaring.
And before the vapor ignites, when it's invisible to the eye, it's spreading all around, surrounding other people and property, just WAITING for a spark. And people doused with gas running around are spreading it with their every movement.
Know what happens when you inhale gasoline vapor into your lungs? You've created a fuel air mixture complete from your airways into your lungs what can easily burn all the way to the deepest reaches of your lungs once exposed to an external flame.
And to suggest doing this at a gas station which may have any number of other gas pumps actively pumping gas which are going to be immediately abandoned by fleeing people?
People have done any number of stupid things and survived. That doesn't mean everybody should go out and do them.
Gasoline is EXTREMELY volatile and doing something like this is pretty much setting yourself up for a poor man's fuel-air-explosive.
And you CAN'T control it, either, once it ignites...and it's very easy to ignite.
The liquid gas will continue to flash to vapor in the heat of the fire, causing more fire to flare up. The heat from the flaming fire will cause the hot air to rise rapidly, which will draw in fresh air underneath where the fire is at...causing MORE flaring.
And before the vapor ignites, when it's invisible to the eye, it's spreading all around, surrounding other people and property, just WAITING for a spark. And people doused with gas running around are spreading it with their every movement.
Know what happens when you inhale gasoline vapor into your lungs? You've created a fuel air mixture complete from your airways into your lungs what can easily burn all the way to the deepest reaches of your lungs once exposed to an external flame.
And to suggest doing this at a gas station which may have any number of other gas pumps actively pumping gas which are going to be immediately abandoned by fleeing people?
People have done any number of stupid things and survived. That doesn't mean everybody should go out and do them.
Ya'll have talked me into it. LOL.
We should just be knife sponges / bullet sponges for four violent thugs? That let's them decide.
My sense is one uses whatever means are at his or her disposal at that moment to save their life.
If out playing a round of golf and attacked? Use the 3-iron in your hand.
If making pie dough in the vacation home? Use the kitchen rolling pin.
This poor guy had about a half-second to plan a course of action. Cut him some slack.
We should just be knife sponges / bullet sponges for four violent thugs? That let's them decide.
My sense is one uses whatever means are at his or her disposal at that moment to save their life.
If out playing a round of golf and attacked? Use the 3-iron in your hand.
If making pie dough in the vacation home? Use the kitchen rolling pin.
This poor guy had about a half-second to plan a course of action. Cut him some slack.
theotherwaldo
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I know a diesel nozzle when I see one.
I used to work the full-service Texaco across the street from the old Portland Colosseum - alone, at night.
We didn't have diesel pumps, but if someone had come at me with a weapon then they'd have gotten a face full of what I could reach.
I used to work the full-service Texaco across the street from the old Portland Colosseum - alone, at night.
We didn't have diesel pumps, but if someone had come at me with a weapon then they'd have gotten a face full of what I could reach.
old lady new shooter
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Seems to have worked.
old lady new shooter
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First, check out the gas station before even driving in to see if there are any shady-looking types there, and if so keep going. If it looks safe OK to drive in. Always make sure to be at the front of however many cars are next to the pumps in my row so when I'm done gassing up I can drive right away. And I lock all the doors while I'm gassing up, key in my hand, a pocket or my waistband, purse stays in the car.
I always have old cars so carjacking per se is less likely, but a woman alone can be a different kind of target. Once when I was still living in L.A. a guy came driving in while I was cleaning my windshield after gassing up and said he wants to use that pump. Being that there were other pumps available this seemed fishy to me, without giving any indication of worry I said I wasn't done yet and pointed out the other available pumps. Kept my eye on him the whole rest of the time. When I was ready to get into my car to leave he started sprinting toward me. That was the absolute fastest I ever got in my car and locked the door. Sped away immediately without even putting on my seat belt. Thankfully escaped.
I always have old cars so carjacking per se is less likely, but a woman alone can be a different kind of target. Once when I was still living in L.A. a guy came driving in while I was cleaning my windshield after gassing up and said he wants to use that pump. Being that there were other pumps available this seemed fishy to me, without giving any indication of worry I said I wasn't done yet and pointed out the other available pumps. Kept my eye on him the whole rest of the time. When I was ready to get into my car to leave he started sprinting toward me. That was the absolute fastest I ever got in my car and locked the door. Sped away immediately without even putting on my seat belt. Thankfully escaped.
aaaaa
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Is it even legal to stand there, gun in hand, filling your gas tank, when no immediate threat is present?
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Gas versus firearms. Everyone here has firearms so gasoline as a defense seems to be off limits.
I can tell you that many years ago before I carried a gun that I stopped a 2 person versus just me situation at a gas station by pulling the nozzle out of my car and postured with the nozzle at the would be perps. They got pissed as hell and promised to "get me" as they got in their van and left the gas station. I never saw them again.
When you don't have a gun and are threatened, you come up with alternatives to guns.
I can tell you that many years ago before I carried a gun that I stopped a 2 person versus just me situation at a gas station by pulling the nozzle out of my car and postured with the nozzle at the would be perps. They got pissed as hell and promised to "get me" as they got in their van and left the gas station. I never saw them again.
When you don't have a gun and are threatened, you come up with alternatives to guns.
I think that one could make a good argument that a diesel spill in such circumstances would not pose a hight risk of a fire. Not so with gasoline.
I would not want to rely upon that argument.
That is utterly ridiculous.
Premeditation has absolutely nothing to do with it.
The issue is the failure to exercise due caution when doing something known to be dangerous.
The Night Rider
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Do you thank the intended victim give that any consideration before he started letting fly with the diesel?
I'm not saying that hosing down your assailant with GASOLINE is an optimal solution but it has worked as an improvised weapon more than once and I have yet to hear of a single gas station exploding because of it.
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