Downgrading scopes... options.

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So, I'm thinking what I may do is buy the 6.5-20x50 Burris Fullfield E1 and mount it to my Savage 10 FCP in 308. It's built as more of a bench/tactical rifle, very heavy stock and all that, probably has the farthest reach of anything I own.

Once I get that, I'll move the 4.5-14x42 Burris over to the Vanguard. I think those magnifications will be a great for for each rifle.
 
What would you recommend for a 20" Weatherby Vanguard in .308, meant as a range toy and maybe to hunt a few hogs?

I expect that Weatherby of yours is capable of good accuracy. When you mention the range I assume you might be interested in exploring what you and the gun can do in the way of accuracy and/or groups. Here are my thoughts based on my preferences and my eyes. (I believe some scopes suit some people's eyes better than they do other people. If I get a scope that doesn't provide a clear image with very good resolution, I sell it. I've owned quite a few scopes that didn't work for me, optically, so I sold them. These included 4 Leupolds, a Sightron S-TAC, and soon a Nikon.)

- For target shooting at 100+ yards, I like to have 24x or more on the top end. That's because I end up shooting for best groups and more magnification (assuming the scope is good and clear) = smaller groups for a good shooter. I have some 36x target scopes, but sometimes they are just too tedious to enjoy as much as a fixed 24x or a variable that goes to 24x. If I'm not overly serious about pinpoint accuracy or best groups, I can live with 14 - 16x on the top end.

- I'm fine with 4 - 6x on the lower end for hunting or plinking because I've never had any trouble quickly finding my target through a scope -- I don't need a huge field of view.

- My favorite overall scope is something in the range of 6-24x because I can use it for almost anything I want to do. I have several Weaver V-24s (6-24x) and Sightron SII 6-24s. For situations where I'm okay with lower magnification on the top end, I am happy with a 6.5-20x or 4-16x or 4.5-14x. I have several Weaver Grand Slam 4-16x44s and several of the above-mentioned Burris 4.5-14s. All of these scopes just work very well for my eye.

- I don't really like to go below 14x on the top end.

- For value and optical quality, I think it'd be very difficult to beat the 4.5-14x Burris discussed above. And for hunting hogs in brush, the 4.5x low end should work pretty well. When people talk about bang-for-the buck, it usually brings to mind "settling" in the interest of saving money. However, in this case, the Burris isn't "settling" for my eyes unless you're talking about spending 3-4X what the Burris is going for these days. For my use I would go with the E1 version with the Ballistic Plex reticle because I like Side Focus and I like that reticle.

- I slightly prefer the Weaver Grand Slam 4-16x vs. the Burris, but that scope is hard to find nowadays, close to $500 if you do find one. And now that Weavers have been discontinued by the parent company I'm not sure what Bushnell will do if you approach them with a warranty claim for a Weaver (perhaps offer you a Bushnell?). I'm not concerned about that, but you might be. Burris' Lifetime Warranty is as good as any in the industry.
 
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So, I'm thinking what I may do is buy the 6.5-20x50 Burris Fullfield E1 and mount it to my Savage 10 FCP in 308. It's built as more of a bench/tactical rifle, very heavy stock and all that, probably has the farthest reach of anything I own.

Once I get that, I'll move the 4.5-14x42 Burris over to the Vanguard. I think those magnifications will be a great for for each rifle.
I'd love to hear your side-by-side comparison of those two once you get the 6.5-20 in hand.
 
- I slightly prefer the Weaver Grand Slam 4-16x vs. the Burris, but that scope is hard to find nowadays, close to $500 if you do find one. And now that Weavers have been discontinued by the parent company I'm not sure what Bushnell will do if you approach them with a warranty claim for a Weaver (perhaps offer you a Bushnell?). I'm not concerned about that, but you might be. Burris' Lifetime Warranty is as good as any in the industry.

I'm of similar mind on magnification, 4-14 is kind of my standard. In general, I like 3-4 on the low end and 14+ on the top end. My 308 is kind of an exception to that on the low end, I was originally going to put the Viper I sold off on it but I don't shoot it much and felt silly having that expensive of a scope on something that barely gets used. My LPVO on my AR is another exception based on purpose mostly.

If Bushnell is who handles Weaver warranty work now, I'm guessing they would offer the closest equivalent in the Bushnell line. When I submitted my Simmons (who is under Bushnell now) 1-6x24 scope, they replaced with with a Bushnell AR Optics 1-6x24. Pretty nice upgrade, actually, but the closest equivalent they had.
 
I expect that Weatherby of yours is capable of good accuracy. When you mention the range I assume you might be interested in exploring what you and the gun can do in the way of accuracy and/or groups. Here are my thoughts based on my preferences and my eyes. (I believe some scopes suit some people's eyes better than they do other people. If I get a scope that doesn't provide a clear image with very good resolution, I sell it. I've owned quite a few scopes that didn't work for me, optically, so I sold them. These included 4 Leupolds, a Sightron S-TAC, and soon a Nikon.)

- For target shooting at 100+ yards, I like to have 24x or more on the top end. That's because I end up shooting for best groups and more magnification (assuming the scope is good and clear) = smaller groups for a good shooter. I have some 36x target scopes, but sometimes they are just too tedious to enjoy as much as a fixed 24x or a variable that goes to 24x. If I'm not overly serious about pinpoint accuracy or best groups, I can live with 14 - 16x on the top end.

- I'm fine with 4 - 6x on the lower end for hunting or plinking because I've never had any trouble quickly finding my target through a scope -- I don't need a huge field of view.

- My favorite overall scope is something in the range of 6-24x because I can use it for almost anything I want to do. I have several Weaver V-24s (6-24x) and Sightron SII 6-24s. For situations where I'm okay with lower magnification on the top end, I am happy with a 6.5-20x or 4-16x or 4.5-14x. I have several Weaver Grand Slam 4-16x44s and several of the above-mentioned Burris 4.5-14s. All of these scopes just work very well for my eye.

- I don't really like to go below 14x on the top end.

- For value and optical quality, I think it'd be very difficult to beat the 4.5-14x Burris discussed above. And for hunting hogs in brush, the 4.5x low end should work pretty well. When people talk about bang-for-the buck, it usually brings to mind "settling" in the interest of saving money. However, in this case, the Burris isn't "settling" for my eyes unless you're talking about spending 3-4X what the Burris is going for these days. For my use I would go with the E1 version with the Ballistic Plex reticle because I like Side Focus and I like that reticle.

- I slightly prefer the Weaver Grand Slam 4-16x vs. the Burris, but that scope is hard to find nowadays, close to $500 if you do find one. And now that Weavers have been discontinued by the parent company I'm not sure what Bushnell will do if you approach them with a warranty claim for a Weaver (perhaps offer you a Bushnell?). I'm not concerned about that, but you might be. Burris' Lifetime Warranty is as good as any in the industry.

Thank you for the thorough and comprehensive overview -- way more than I was expecting and much appreciated! I think the Burris 4.5-14 sounds perfect for my purposes. I really like to find the solution that is optimal, that provides the maximum benefit just before diminishing returns start to become an issue. That's how I arrived at the Weatherby Vanguard. It's a sub-MOA gun straight from the factory for around $600 (although in my case closer to $700 because of the upgraded stock). I did a lot of research and discovered that the Vanguard is a slightly upgraded Howa 1500, which is itself a modern CNC rendition of a classic Sako design (and their are few guns that equal the elegant Sakos!). The Burris 4.5-14 sounds like it also will provide optimal performance, without breaking the bank. I love TheHighRoad and all of the great gun info it provides!
 
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Well, ordered the 6.5-20x50 Fullfield E1. We'll see how long it takes Battlehawk Armory to get it to me. Since I only spent about $180 on the scope, that should leave me about $400 to buy a workbench and work on rounding out the reloading equipment. :thumbup:
 
My last 3 scopes are Athlon Second Focal Plane scopes with 30 MM tubes. I like them better than Burris or Leupold. Two were bought used off Ebay at a considerable savings and come with lifetime warranties. Vary in price from cheap ($125) to high end ($1,200).

Athlon Argos 6 - 30 x 50 AHMR1 SFP MOA Reticle #214021 $157 used

Athlon Argos 4 - 20 x 50 AHMR1 SFP MOA Reticle #214016 $160 used
 
Yaaaa, I got the Viper in a trade and it's 6-24x50. It's more magnification than I need. I mounted it and liked it otherwise, but I want to drop down magnification-wise. At the same time, I need to round out my reloading kit so looking to spend a bit less than I sold it for.
I have basically the same scope except it's the HS instead of the HST. It's stupid bright and crisp to my eyes and it's on the 270Win bolt gun that's in my sig line. I paid $400 for it through Midway USA last year and I couldn't be happier with it. That being said, I can attest to the surprisingly good quality of the Crossfire II line of scopes as that is what came included with my Mossberg from the factory and it was good while I saved up for the Viper HS. I believe they are only 1in tubes though so that might be a deal breaker for you...
 
Well, ordered the 6.5-20x50 Fullfield E1. We'll see how long it takes Battlehawk Armory to get it to me. Since I only spent about $180 on the scope, that should leave me about $400 to buy a workbench and work on rounding out the reloading equipment. :thumbup:

I've ordered from battlehawk twice. First was a scope. Shipped fast no issues. 2nd was bullets. They came slower.
Personally, my bench I made cheap, and it works great. Spend more on the equipment. Dont forget that you lift the bench as well on the upstroke. I have a shallow bench anchored to the wall studs on the top, and the front legs angled back and screwed to the baseboard/ bottom plate. Very secure for upward and downward forces.
 
+1. And larger 50mm objective lens will provide brighter field of view.

Only if the scope is set on 10X magnification. A 50mm scope set on 10X, a 40mm scope set on 8X and a 20mm scope on 4X all let in EXACTLY the same amount of light. Which also happens to be as much light as a human eye can use. With any of those objective sizes set on lower magnification you are letting in more light than can be used. Any of them set on higher magnification will not let enough light through the scope to be optimal in low light.

The Burris FF-II has been discontinued, but can still be found for around $160. IME there is nothing under $300 that is better, some may be just as good. A Leupold VX-Freedom is another option. IME the Leupold and Burris are very similar, and the Burris MIGHT just be better. But the Leupold is more expensive.

Vortex makes some good stuff if you're looking at the more expensive scopes. But I'm not impressed with their budget scopes.
 
I have to say, I’m with TX, from earlier in the thread. This notion of downgrading glass is foreign to me:thumbdown: Though, I will say your decision to invest in reloading equipment is very wise. Unfortunately, I believe that once you are reloading more accurate ammunition, you will want to UPgrade your scope once again.
 
For myself, the most important part of a scope is tracking and holding point of impact from shot to shot, a lot of scopes do not. glass is secondary imo
Arken......

Tho i admit im looking to replace my Arken sh4 with a bit better glass...... and it's GOOD glass lol
 
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