On OP's list the CZ was the only one that if be interested in.
Right. My point was that, even though the OP had the CZ 75 on his list, it doesn't meet his listed criteria. IMO, he needs to change his criteria.
Make a list of wants, needs and desires. Your list of possibilities is not bad. I am going to throw an older model out there that is a perfect example of a compact nine (not sub compact). A pistol that has a 8+1 capacity, is 100% reliable and built like a tank. Accurate as any pistol I have, heavy enough that recoil is soft, slim enough with superior ergonomics that every one who has ever handled it loves the feel. A pistol that is also fun at the range.Interesting points I had not considered, thanks. So guns generally with the safety switch don't have other safety measures?
You are correct sir, my bad on that. I'm afraid the CZ is out
Some do, some don't. With most modern pistols, forgetting to put the safety back on before holstering is less of an issue than forgetting to turn it off before pulling the trigger. If someone is willing to get good training and then practice enough to make the use of the safety a breathing level habit, a pistol with a safety can be a fine choice. Only a tiny minority of pistol owners are willing to do that, however.
Yes, but offhand I don't agree with it (reserving the right to change my mind!). Lord knows I am not a brilliant man but I think I can remember even in a criss that to shoot first I must flip a switch, which takes all of about a second.
Maybe you would, or maybe not. I've seen many who didn't remember, and that was during classes without the stress of someone trying to kill them. People don't get better at these sorts of things under stress, they get lots worse.
Ultimately, trigger finger is your safety.
Certainly. Something that all new gun owners should do is plan on spending at least as much on training, in the first year, as they did on the pistol. Ideally that training is done before purchasing the weapon. Be open to the possibility that your initial choice won't be your final one. Once you get some good training under your belt, you'll be able to come at the handgun selection process from a much more educated angle, one that is less confused by the widely varying advice you'll get from random, un-vetted folks on the internet.
There are safety trigger like a Glock which uses a lever in the trigger then a trigger pull, multi-phase and the gun has no safety on the frame. The trigger is a safety of sorts. Then there are Double Action only pistols like the Sig I showed in my last post, Kahr does this as well. Several companies make similar products. The concept is a long double action pull, like a revolver is your safety. Then there are Double Action/Single Action guns. The first shot is long and purposeful acting as your safety the remaining are shot and light single action. They usually have a decocking lever that places the gun back to double action when required. This is found in guns like a Beretta 92, Sig 226 and many others. No manual safety to speak of. The only pistols that traditionally come with safeties are 1911 style single action pistols. Currently I see safeties popping up on all combinations of pistols. I am not against it, it’s personal but it is not something I would look for as it goes against everything I have become accustomed to. A new shooter just learning should not matter, that’s the time to train and learn the manual of arms and proper operation. My personal recommendation of safety is a concern is a DAO pistol. A deliberate pull of the trigger ever time leaves less to think about and is as safe as anything out there. I don’t have a problem with a Glock style safety trigger as a concept but it just never grew on me ergonomically. That’s why I like my Sigs and Kahr’s. As a long time revolver shooter a double action trigger is second nature and easy for me to learn and get the accuracy required. But like everyone is saying it’s up to what you like. No matter what you decide on, there are sooooo many good guns out there now that it will be hard to make a bad choice unless you go to cheap and cut corners. It will be a training and learning process. Good habits and training are the best safety measure that exists.
You definitely do NOT want a light short trigger on your defensive carry gun. Too easy for an accidental discharge. Believe me, when the adrenaline is flowing you are not going to notice a six pound 1/4" trigger.
I have a Shield Plus, the third generation, and really like it. Great trigger, shoots well, and holds up to 13 rounds.
This is one reason Shields are great. They are not the smallest sub compacts, but they are just big enough they are easier to shoot.
Only a small minority of pistol owners train at all and don’t need extra safety features. The safety of a loaded striker fired gun, without a safety, and one in the chamber relies on training and practice many don’t ever get.
And habitually operating a manual safety relies on training and practice many don't ever get.
