Misfire because of media in the flashhole?

Speer used to sell plastic cases and rubber bullets for practice ammos... the 'bullet' was propelled by the primer alone.

FWIW those have very large flash holes so the primer doesn’t back out when ignited and large vs small primers.

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That said, no, I have never seen a kernel of corn cob or walnut media keep a primer from doing its job.
 
then I read about 2040 grade corncob media.

I tried corncob... once... didn't really care for how it worked, at least compared to walnut.

What is it you like about corncob? 40#? You shoot quite a bit of cast, don't you? Seems like it would get contaminated after a bit, and you'd have to change it out. Just curious.
 
I like cob as it's cheap through zoro. Probably takes longer but I usually leave overnight in my thumbler anyway. I thought walnut made more dust. I suppose if extremely dirty I'd use some walnut but haven't for years.

Cob seems to quickly remove any lube from sized brass to me.
 
After cleaning my most important step takes place; inspection. Routine with me and any media "stuck" in a flash hole is easily spotted (adds ,001 second to the process). 99% of the time a tap on the bench top will clear the "clog" Primers are pretty strong and I suspect any media not dislodged by a tap or mouth pressure puff, will certainly be blown out of the way. This is one "experiment" I haven't tried; find a tumbled case with a clogged flash hole and prime and fire (primer only). Maybe purposely clog a flash hole with a chunk of walnut media and see if a primer will blow it out.

In all my handloads assembled since I started tumbling in various media, I cannot say I've had a squib or hangfire from tumbling debris...
 
Thinking about my question more...

I use walnut, primarily, for tumbling... I have for years. It seems like Walnut would be fine enough to not cause serious issues... but I gave corncob a try once. I could see where the bigger, and quite rigid, chunks of corncob could lodge a flashhole... Hmmm...
It will and does but when you inspect and poke it out it goes away.
 
I decap everything with a universal decapping die before cleaning. I also have left the decapping rod in my resizing dies. I use a 5050 mix of corn cob and walnut media in my tumbler. Yes I get some media stuck in the flash holes but also inspect and knock it out as I remove the cases from the tumbler. For the cases I miss, the decapper in my sizing dies will normally take care of any stuck media.

I keep a RCBS universal decapping die setup in my Lee single stage press since I don't like decapping dirty cases on my turret press.
 
Again... I'm not talking about how to prevent it, I'm just wondering about if it indeed happens.

I normally tumble my handgun brass after firing... then it just goes on the progressive merry-go-round to reload, the decapper... obviously... would knock anything in the flash hole out, including the primer.

My rifle brass is a little different... because I size it, then tumble it to get the lube off. I generally prime my brass by hand (RCBS Universal) after that, but some cartridges (.308, .30-06, 5.56mm) go straight to the press. Although I'm looking at the cases throughout the process, it's possible I could miss a nugget of media in the flash hole... hence my initial question.
 
I tried corncob... once... didn't really care for how it worked, at least compared to walnut.

What is it you like about corncob? 40#? You shoot quite a bit of cast, don't you? Seems like it would get contaminated after a bit, and you'd have to change it out. Just curious.

I like it because when used with a dab of some sort of metal polish it works extremely well. I shoot lots and lots of .30 Carbine and my MO is lube, size, trim then throw them in the tumbler before I go in to the house for the night-

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Mind you, it's not for extremely tarnished cases, I use wet cleaning for those.

I do shoot quite a bit of cast and I don't see that it has any effect on the brass or the media. I do change the media when it gets "loaded", but to me it seems rather infrequent. Maybe 4 or 5 times a year....?

35W
 
When I tumble I don't de-prime until after I am done. I don't lube pistol brass using carbide dies. I usually don't tumble unless they hit the ground and get dirty. Rifle brass is done the same way except I wipe what's left of the one shot off even though it's not necessary. I don't need shiny brass as no one sees it but me.
 
My cases are tumbled before and after de-priming. After the de-primed cases are tumbled, the contents of the tumbler are dumped into a sifter that sits in a larger pan. i sit there and shake most of the media away from the cases, dump the media from the cases and inspect the flash holes. Plugged flash holes are unplugged using a flash hole deburring tool. DSC02684.JPG

It takes a few minutes to inspect 75 rifle cases.
 
^^^ Same here. Never an issue.
How do you get the lube off the full length resized cases? With military cases, it's especially problematic because you kinda have to deprime with a universal decapping die or you risk breaking decapping pins and then after the universal decapper, you have to lube them to resize them and trim them and do whatever case prep steps you want to perform. Even if the once fired military cases came to you bright and shiny (which they frequently do), the lube has to come off so you need to throw them in a tumbler of some kind. I use an old Lyman tumbler with corn cob media. it works perfectly for this. It only takes about an hour to get them back to bright and shiny and unlubed but I am always finding errant pieces of corn cob media in those flash holes after doing this, like every 5th or 6th case maybe.

Sometimes it's a small piece but sometimes it's a big old chunk that would definitely cause a problem if you managed to seat a primer over it. I think it would prevent the primer from fully seating for sure and it is definitely obstructing the flash hole so there are a couple of potential problems right there. If you aren't diligently removing it, you're inviting those problems IMHO. That's why I trim them after I tumble the lube off. It A) makes it easier to hold on to the case when I stick it in the trimmer and B) is necessary for flash hole uniforming anyways as you set up your flash hole uniformer based on the full length resized case length.

So it takes a few seconds at your case prep center to uniform the flash hole and, at the same time, the flash hole uniformer tool quickly and easily knocks out any errant corn cob media lodged in the flash hole. I set up my case prep center to ream primer crimps at the first station, to clean/uniform primer pockets at the next station, to uniform flash holes/remove corn cob media at the next and then to brush out the case at the final station (in case there's lube/media clumps hidden in there too).

If there's a piece of corn cob in the primer pocket, I will obviously go to the flash hole uniformer station first to knock it out and then proceed to the primer pocket uniforming station. because you can't uniform a primer pocket with media in the pocket. With the RCBS case prep center, the whole process is pretty quick actually-maybe 10-15 seconds per case. Maybe that's more time/labor than some folks want to put into their process or maybe it's just not entirely conducive to their progressive process but I don't mind it and I wouldn't want to work with cases that were less than perfect, especially if I'm trying to make some kind of match grade ammunition. And even for blaster grade ammo, I wouldn't want something causing me to have every 5th to 6th primer potentially seated proud.
 
There is differences between corn cob media and pet bedding. Pet bedding is softer not uniform in size , composition or hardness. I tried several items for tumbling media and settled on corn cob blast media, 14-20. (tried beach sand, plastic pyramids, gravel, charcoal briquettes, peas, rice, beans, walnut pet bedding, wood chunks, glass beads, and mebbe a half dozen more. All worked to some degree). If I want shiny brass I just leave the tumbler running longer. I don't use any abrasive polish just a bit of auto wax. Never had any priming problems due to tumbling media and when I deprime before tumbling (sometimes I do, sometimes I don't) never any stuck media troubles. Tumbling brass threads can get realllly involved as many, many different methods and materials are used and the major factor is personal preference.
 
Has anyone ever experienced a misfire or squib load because of a suspected media obstruction in the flash hole?
No one has ever experience a FtF due to corncob in the flash hole, although someone might suspect they have.

Someday, with excellent eye and ear protection, you should watch a primer detonation through a flash hole. The corncob is immaterial at that temperature and pressure.
 
No one has ever experience a FtF due to corncob in the flash hole, although someone might suspect they have.

Someday, with excellent eye and ear protection, you should watch a primer detonation through a flash hole. The corncob is immaterial at that temperature and pressure.

Well, again, I suspect as much... but if you read back through this thread, and others prior, people put an awful lot of effort into making sure the flash hole is clear, and specifically from media. I'm not saying it's desirable, mind you...
 
Like the factories do. I tumble them after reloading.
Courtesy of Otto:
RCBS: Do not attempt to clean loaded ammunition. To do so could result in cartridge detonation causing serious personal injury.

Hodgdon: It is the policy of Hodgdon Powder Co. to recommend against ever tumbling or vibrating loaded or reloaded ammunition. Vibration for even short periods of time may degrade propellants or change their burn characteristics. Vibrating propellants may cause coatings to wear off and edges or
ends to erode. Dave Campbell Hodgdon Ballistician.

Federal: Can I put unfired ammo in a case tumbler?
A: No. Placing ammunition in a tumbler can be very dangerous. The risks are detonation inside the tumbler or changed powder characteristics that can result in serious injury during firing.

Lyman: Q: Can I tumble loaded ammo?
A: No, this can be very dangerous. Tumbling loaded ammo can break down the powder causing extreme pressure problems.

Sierra: Q: I have some loaded ammo that is pretty badly tarnished. Can I just put it in my tumbler and clean it up?
A: No. The deterrent coating of the powder may be damaged, which speeds the burning rate. The simple answer here is, "No, don't do it."

Otto, Apr 18, 2021

If it works for you, go for it. I have thought about doing it but I don't. I still prefer to just tumble after resizing as it works well with my system.
 
Courtesy of Otto:
RCBS: Do not attempt to clean loaded ammunition. To do so could result in cartridge detonation causing serious personal injury.

Hodgdon: It is the policy of Hodgdon Powder Co. to recommend against ever tumbling or vibrating loaded or reloaded ammunition. Vibration for even short periods of time may degrade propellants or change their burn characteristics. Vibrating propellants may cause coatings to wear off and edges or
ends to erode. Dave Campbell Hodgdon Ballistician.

Federal: Can I put unfired ammo in a case tumbler?
A: No. Placing ammunition in a tumbler can be very dangerous. The risks are detonation inside the tumbler or changed powder characteristics that can result in serious injury during firing.

Lyman: Q: Can I tumble loaded ammo?
A: No, this can be very dangerous. Tumbling loaded ammo can break down the powder causing extreme pressure problems.

Sierra: Q: I have some loaded ammo that is pretty badly tarnished. Can I just put it in my tumbler and clean it up?
A: No. The deterrent coating of the powder may be damaged, which speeds the burning rate. The simple answer here is, "No, don't do it."

Otto, Apr 18, 2021

If it works for you, go for it. I have thought about doing it but I don't. I still prefer to just tumble after resizing as it works well with my system.
And every delivery vehicle carrying smokeless is equipped with antigravity tires. :rofl:
 
And every delivery vehicle carrying smokeless is equipped with antigravity tires. :rofl:
I hear what you're saying but is driving down the highway really equivalent to putting loaded rounds in a vibratory tumbler? I'm not arguing one way or the other about the practice mind you. I know people do it. and I know all the reputable reloading sources I just listed say not to. I don't do it but it's 60% because I don't have to and 40% because I don't want to.
 
I hear what you're saying but is driving down the highway really equivalent to putting loaded rounds in a vibratory tumbler? I'm not arguing one way or the other about the practice mind you. I know people do it. and I know all the reputable reloading sources I just listed say not to. I don't do it but it's 60% because I don't have to and 40% because I don't want to.
“driving down the highway “. Makes it sound so peaceful and tranquil. No potholes, no traffic or construction work, no uneven lanes or shaky forklift drivers, and every package handler wears white silk gloves with feather padding… sure, the only disturbance ever experienced by any product is at the hands of the end user. It does seem a little bit ludicrous doesn’t it? The physical evidence says consumer grade tumblers don’t alter the performance of smokeless powders. I don’t blame the manufacturers for saying not to do it but it’s like the tags on mattresses: what exactly is removing the tag supposed to harm?
 
“driving down the highway “. Makes it sound so peaceful and tranquil. No potholes, no traffic or construction work, no uneven lanes or shaky forklift drivers, and every package handler wears white silk gloves with feather padding.....
I think a vibratory tumbler would cause more vibrations on the powder kernels inside the case than driving down just about any road. The kernels rubbing against each other would act on one another in the same way as the media acts against the brass itself. In other words, I think it would alter the kernels of the powder in ways that transportation/shipping/carrying would not. And the manufacturers seem to think it could be dangerous to put loaded ammo in a tumbler. I don't have to do it and it isn't recommended so I don't. On the few occasions where I might have, I just wiped the lube off with a rag. 20 minutes might not be a big deal but it's still not recommended and it seems like bad practice to me but to each his own and this is why I only shoot my own reloads.

Back to the original point: From the ABCs of Reloading 5th edition by Dean A. Grennell, page 111: "If one is meticulously careful about inspection of the flash holes, it's possible to resize and deprime the cases prior to cleaning them. That will help to get some of the corruption out of the primer pockets. It is, however, mandatory to make certain the flash holes are not blocked by particles of cleaning media, because that could cause a misfire, sub-standard performance, or similar undesirable happenings."

So the guy who literally wrote the book on reloading says it's a bad idea to leave cleaning media in the primer pocket. :)
 
Courtesy of Otto:
RCBS: Do not attempt to clean loaded ammunition. To do so could result in cartridge detonation causing serious personal injury.

Hodgdon: It is the policy of Hodgdon Powder Co. to recommend against ever tumbling or vibrating loaded or reloaded ammunition. Vibration for even short periods of time may degrade propellants or change their burn characteristics. Vibrating propellants may cause coatings to wear off and edges or
ends to erode. Dave Campbell Hodgdon Ballistician.

Federal: Can I put unfired ammo in a case tumbler?
A: No. Placing ammunition in a tumbler can be very dangerous. The risks are detonation inside the tumbler or changed powder characteristics that can result in serious injury during firing.

Lyman: Q: Can I tumble loaded ammo?
A: No, this can be very dangerous. Tumbling loaded ammo can break down the powder causing extreme pressure problems.

Sierra: Q: I have some loaded ammo that is pretty badly tarnished. Can I just put it in my tumbler and clean it up?
A: No. The deterrent coating of the powder may be damaged, which speeds the burning rate. The simple answer here is, "No, don't do it."

Otto, Apr 18, 2021

If it works for you, go for it. I have thought about doing it but I don't. I still prefer to just tumble after resizing as it works well with my system.

All the ammo makers tell you not to do it....but they do it ....sounds like the preachers ...do as I say not as I do!!!
 
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