Get serious about immigration enforcement

Who shall be the judge of racial or xenophobic reasons for wanting to end illegal immigration? Are economic motives now the only legitimate ones? - sindawe

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Nationalistic motives are my favorite, meaning Mexicans may too often come to send money home rather than to become citizens. They too often have no intention of true assimilation. Being a burden on social services is kind of the final kicker. There is a strong message to us when a banking machine routinely offers a choice of language but only two, English or Spanish, Ingles o Espanol.

It will take another 9/11 to make the soccermoms/NASCAR dads to pressure the US Government to enforce the immigration laws. The sheep and business like exploiting illegal aliens. And the Government at the highest levels looks the other way. It's all about Money. Tragically, more people must die.

If the reason you dont like illegals is because of the possibility that there culture may take over the culture of today. Then you are a Bigot and racist.

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Then I guess the Gauls who resisted the Romans were bigots, and the Indians who resisted the British Empire in India were bigots, and the multitude of Indian tribes that resisted the expansion of the Americans here in America were bigots.

Sounds like I'm in good historical company.

Yes the only good reasons to not like illegal immigration are security and economic.

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So, do tell, who died and made YOU final judge of the correctness of someones opposition to illegal immigration?

I dont like illegals because they work for less money and b3enefits and threaten my standard of living.

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Sounds to me like you are simply motivated by greed. Now that you've got yours, to heck with anybody else.

So the mexicans are attacking us now?

Then I guess the Gauls who resisted the Romans were bigots, and the Indians who resisted the British Empire in India were bigots, and the multitude of Indian tribes that resisted the expansion of the Americans here in America were bigots.

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Its an armed invasion aimed at looting and pillaging, and in general conquesting this land? Well when you put it in terms like that. Hey is that a cross burning in your back yard or are you having a bar b que?

Wingman in post #26 has a valid reason. Anything else borders on rascism. Please spare me the terrorist crap. Canada is easier to get into and it is easier to get into the United States across our non existant border seurity with canada.

The terrorist pilots from 9/11 initially used legal means to get into this country
They didnt swim across the rio.

Its an armed invasion aimed at looting and pillaging, and in general conquesting this land?

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Illegal immigration from Mexico is most assuredly an invasion of our country. Mexican columnist Carlos Loret de Mola explained Mexico's "demographic warfare" strategy in Mexico's newspaper, the Excelsior, over 20 years ago.
Loret's article, "The Great Invasion: Mexico Recovers on its Own," described the strategy:

"A peaceful mass of people ... carries out slowly and patiently an unstoppable invasion, the most important in human history. You cannot give me a similar example of such a large migration wave by an ant-like multitude, stubborn, unarmed, and carried on in the face of the most powerful and best-armed nation on earth ... [Neither] barbed-wire fences, nor aggressive border guards, nor campaigns, nor laws, nor police raids against the undocumented, have stopped this movement of the masses that is unprecedented in any part of the world."

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Loret describes a migrant invasion that continues and that will return the southwestern states to the jurisdiction of Mexico,

"... without the firing of a single shot, nor requiring the least diplomatic action, by means of a steady, spontaneous, and uninterrupted occupation."

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This is the strategy of La Mecha, and it's working.

It is happeneing all over the world

Germany,France Italy.
Anywhere there are jobs people move to take them. Jobs go to the lowest bidders. If laws are in place to stop it. Unscrupulous employers will skirt them.
Go after the employers. I am not interested in "your " cultural reasons. It is a very thinly veiled racist reason.
Im waiting for the comment from soem of you to the effect:
"They breed like rabbits"

Nationalistic motives are my favorite, meaning Mexicans may too often come to send money home rather than to become citizens. They too often have no intention of true assimilation. Being a burden on social services is kind of the final kicker. There is a strong message to us when a banking machine routinely offers a choice of language but only two, English or Spanish, Ingles o Espanol.

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Motives such as that are however actively encouraged by those that seek out the cheap labor in the first place, so who's to blame - those that come here or those that invite them?
I can't recall a presidential administration that DIDN'T propose some form of "guest worker/slave worker" program and it's proposals like these that encourage foreign folks to come to the U.S. to do the dirty work for businesses for discount wages and then leave when they're done. Why is it a surprise to anyone that so-called "legal" and "illegal aliens" are only here for temporary gains with no intention of assimilation? It is a well-tuned technique that the U.S. has long used to efficiently shape our immigration policy to create this situation. IOW, it is intentional. Don't kid yourself that it isn't true.

As for having to choose which language at the ATM, etc. - - If this is the biggest problem in anyone's life, I'll gladly exchange places with them. It's time to realize that not everyone is fluent in English and that learning a second language in someone's post-adolescent years is very difficult.
Besides all that, ATM language choice is yet another one of the ancillary problems associated with the immigration issue. Just like the unfounded charges of the "illegal alien vote", welfare, crime, and other scapegoating that has no solid, factual basis it is (or would be) irrelevant in the discussion if the problem was addressed instead of the symptoms.
Until the focus is placed on the demand for cheap labor that U.S.-based businesses have always needed, so-called "illegal aliens" will continue to flock to the U.S. for what they have always come here for and what they're here for ain't just casual sight-seeing or something...

You are correct, White Trash, that the 'blame' for the problem, and it is a problem, resides squarely with us. Our failure to protect the border, evict illegals, prosecute employers hiring illegals is the cause of the problem. Not to mention all sorts of healthcare and welfare freebies, bilingual education and ballots, etc., et yada, et.

As our cities begin to resemble third world crapholes the productive people will move out and those areas reclaimed by itinerant gypsies with no place to work. It's a lose/lose.

I am not interested in "your " cultural reasons. It is a very thinly veiled racist reason.

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Hey is that a cross burning in your back yard or are you having a bar b que?

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Gee, such a closed and limited world view you seem to have. Perhaps you would be more at home HERE than here at THR.Org, where we at least listen and consider the views and arguments of those who disagree with us.

I wish there was a clear distinction made between keeping terrorists out and keeping Mexicans out. Anti-terrorism is the fashionable, politically correct motive, but I guarantee you the goal is to curtail the flow of illegal Mexican immigrants. Touting border control as anti-terrorism is just as disingenuous as referring to the war in Iraq as the WOT.

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What is the difference? Illegal means illegal. We need to keep em all out.

I live in Texas. I remember my town 25 years ago and it was a nice town. Now it is filthy. I and everyone I knew as a kid has moved. These illegals cross the border and do nothing but cost us time and money. They take jobs and send the money to mexico. They devalue our property. They lower the education level of our kids. Most everyone I know has been in a car accident with an uninsured, non english speaking immigrant. They raise our insurance rates as well as our taxes. They massively increase the cost of our healthcare. Why do you think it costs $1200 for a brief trip to the ER? Overhead padner, most of which is due to indigent care.

I hear your arguements about how Europeans took this country from Native Americans but this isnt the same country. It lies in the same place geographicaly but that is all. Besides, the natives didn't just give it away either. They fough tooth and nail to keep it. We aren't even putting up a fight.

Radical Islam and unassimilated Mexicanism are both clear and present dangers to America's historical core values

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'Mexicanism'... Thanks, you just made milk shoot out of my nose!!!

Oh no, everybody run, rampant 'mexicanism' is spreading. HAHA

Excuse me while I go to the taqueria and get some carne asada.

'Mexicanism'... jeez

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I just saw a movie not too long ago called "A Day Without a Mexican". Not something i suppose most people on this board have seen considering some or the posts in this thread. I probably would have never watched it either if my wife hadn't brought it home. I'd like to hear what some farmers have to say about this issue, considering a lot of them would never get their crops in without migrant workers. Besides, it's a heck of a lot easier for a terrorist to rent a hertz in canada and drive to the US than to swim through sewage to get here.

Not something i suppose most people on this board have seen considering some or the posts in this thread.

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In my case, incorrect. I am well aware of the contribution that "migrant labor" adds to our economy. From the tomatoes in our grocery, to the frames of our houses, I'm aware of the their contribution. As I've said before, I'll say again since some folks don't seem to want to comprehend, follow the immigration laws and come here legally, either to settle and join, or just to work a spell, NO PROBLEM. Sneak across the border under the cover of night, there is a PROBLEM. Making nice with rules and granting amnesty and "guest worker" status does nothing to rectify the problem, it only exacerbates that problem.

It aint about race for me, but if the the "cry for the poor Mexicans" crowd wants to play that card, here goes:

My heart breaks for the Mexicans, but last time I checked, this was America, not the United States of Welfare For Illegal Mexicans.

If they want to come to America, they are welcome to come thru the front door, assuming they are hardworking, honest, and want to subscribe to traditional American values (i.e., honesty, personal responsibility, self-sufficiency, etc.), and are subject to the quotas the rest of the world's countries are.

If they want to come thru the back door, then I'm not going to feel guilty for considering them trespassers and/or burglars. A homeless trespasser isn't entitled to sleep in my bed, nor is a hungry burgler entitled to raid my fridge.

And, race has nothing to do with it. Last time I checked, "Mexican" was a nationality, not a race.

There's all the difference in the world between legal immigrants, who are one of America's greatest strengths, and illegal aliens, who are parasites.

The leftist extremists have been doing their best to blur that obvious distinction for several decades now—and so is President Bush.

There's all the difference in the world between legal immigrants, who are one of America's greatest strengths, and illegal aliens, who are parasites.

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Parasites? Wow!!!
When you say that, you are speaking about people that I personally know. How 'bout you? Can you "put a human face" on your comments? Needless to say, none are parasitic in any sense. If you're worried about undeserving people gobbling up all the social services that exist, start with those that are legal, soil-born Americans first as they are the one's sucking up the majority of what is provided and often times doing so under false pretenses.
One good friend of mine has paid in full and in advance for all associated medical fees for all three of his children. He and his family are not the exception, but rather the rule instead. After nearly 16 years of living as a so-called "illegal alien" in the U.S., my friend spent two years and several thousand dollars spent on an immigration attorney to gain legal status. Again, this is from personal experience, not just speculation and ignorant assumption. This is not a unique case by any means either. What many here fail to comprehend too is that almost every "legal" Mexican immigrant was at one time "illegal". It is next to impossible to even begin the legal process of gaining legal resident alien status from outside the U.S. borders and even then it is an expensive and drawn out undertaking.

For all those that cite welfare, health costs, scapegoating ad nauseum, etc., etc., please - I ask you to produce specific cites to verifiable, unbiased data that proves your position. If you can't, then it'd be best to at least not try and pawn off your opinions that are based on mere hearsay as facts.
If you dislike how the media vilifies guns and gun owners in their constant editorial rants dressed up as "the news", then don't follow suit and make the same outrageous charges against fellow human beings, (aka - "illegals") if you can't prove your claims.

After nearly 16 years of living as a so-called "illegal alien" in the U.S., my friend spent two years and several thousand dollars spent on an immigration attorney to gain legal status

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Did he come here as and his he now a legal immigrant?

No? Then he has no claim to remain, nor do his offspring born outside our borders.

Yes? Them more power to him.


The question is as simple as that. Come here while abiding by the laws of our nation, all are welcome.

Come here while violating those laws, and your presence is NOT welcome. There be yonder door, have a care it does not smite thee....

Are we a nation of laws and reason, or one of men and emotion?

Did he come here as and his he now a legal immigrant?

No? Then he has no claim to remain, nor do his offspring born outside our borders.

Yes? Them more power to him.


The question is as simple as that. Come here while abiding by the laws of our nation, all are welcome.

Come here while violating those laws, and your presence is NOT welcome. There be yonder door, have a care it does not smite thee....

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Came as a so-called "illegal alien" and now has legal status.
U.S. born children are citizens as per the 14th Amendment.

You missed the relevant part of what I said though:

What many here fail to comprehend too is that almost every "legal" Mexican immigrant was at one time "illegal". It is next to impossible to even begin the legal process of gaining legal resident alien status from outside the U.S. borders and even then it is an expensive and drawn out undertaking.

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IOW, if you aren't already here (illegally) then you aren't going to get in.

It is next to impossible to even begin the legal process of gaining legal resident alien status from outside the U.S. borders and even then it is an expensive and drawn out undertaking.

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Gosh, thats funny, I've known and worked with several that came here, following the rules, gained status while going to school and working, who when their employment ceased and they could no gain other employment, departed for their native lands, on the far side of the Pacific Ocean.

U.S. born children are citizens as per the 14th Amendment.

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I never disputed that, if you would recall...

....nor do his offspring born outside our borders.

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Kindly stop twisting my words to suit your own ends.

Sindawe-

No attempt to twist your words on my part. I was trying to clarify what you asked me. Sorry if it sounded otherwise.
As for my statements on becoming legal, it contained a qualifier in that the subject was a Mexican, not from the "far side of the Pacific". Really. Trust me on this one. It's next to impossible as many that I personally know found out.

It is next to impossible to even begin the legal process of gaining legal resident alien status from outside the U.S. borders and even then it is an expensive and drawn out undertaking.

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Oh horrors - it's difficult, expensive and a drawn out undertaking. Why shouldn't it be? Many brave Americans have died protecting the freedoms that we enjoy, why should someone be able to walk across the border and claim right to them?

I do support Bush and his amesty program - because, as many of you pointed out before the election he supports (?) our gun rights. Look at all the anti-gun legislation our Republican friends have repealed since Bush took office, it's nothing short of amazing.

U.S. born children are citizens as per the 14th Amendment.

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Glad you brought that up: that's something we need to change. It defies logic--not to mention affronting Heaven--why a child born of parents who are in this country illegally should automatically gain legal citizenship, with all its rights. We probably need another Amendment to clarify the rights of citizens versus "persons."

Can't happen? Just wait.

Information on the cost of illegal immigration is widely available--if you are interested in finding it. It costs over $7,000 per pupil to educate kids in the L.A. public school system, the bulk of whose enrollees are either illegal aliens or the U.S.-born children of illegals. What percentage of illegal aliens are defraying the cost of their kids' education through the taxes they pay?

Information on the cost of illegal immigration is widely available--if you are interested in finding it.

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So provide a cite via a link then. It's not up to me to find it unless I'm the one claiming it to be the gospel, right? With all the available info. at your fingertips today, it shouldn't be that hard.

It costs over $7,000 per pupil to educate kids in the L.A. public school system, the bulk of whose enrollees are either illegal aliens or the U.S.-born children of illegals. What percentage of illegal aliens are defraying the cost of their kids' education through the taxes they pay?

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If they are paying rent in the cities they reside in, then they are indirectly paying property taxes that go to support the schools.

As for changing the constitution - I like it the way it is. Disregarding the painstakingly tough process of doing so, amending the constitution to suit some specific need (which in this case is for something that is symptomatic, and not the root cause) is unsettling. Setting the precedent to kill the meaning of well-thought out amendments like the 14th is short-sighted to say the least. If you value your rights (all of them) , then don't go suggesting that they be changed for reasons that aren't legitimate and reasonable, lest we see the 2nd trimmed from the BoR.

Oh horrors - it's difficult, expensive and a drawn out undertaking. Why shouldn't it be? Many brave Americans have died protecting the freedoms that we enjoy, why should someone be able to walk across the border and claim right to them?

I do support Bush and his amesty program - because, as many of you pointed out before the election he supports (?) our gun rights. Look at all the anti-gun legislation our Republican friends have repealed since Bush took office, it's nothing short of amazing.

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I didn't say otherwise, did I? I didn't play a violin saying that you or anyone else should feel sorry for those that must jump through the immigration hoops. I merely made comments that this is factual, first-hand knowledge that I've gleaned from many years of dealing with so-called "illegal aliens". Nothing else. Relax and take it for what it's worth. Sheesh!

Bush's "slave worker" program is not unique in any way. Look back into recent history and you'll see the same thing under many presidents. Besides, have you forgotten Reagan's own doing on the same issue or something? The bottom line is that the U.S. needs the cheap labor. Like it or not, it's a fact. That is the ONLY reason we have such a problem with unbridled "illegal" immigration in this country.
The solution remains unchanged for the problem: Treat the cause instead of the effect and you will solve the problem. Eliminate the need for the labor and the laborers won't show up anymore. It's that simple, yet the efforts to curb the tide of immigation are clearly modeled on the unworkable "build a bigger wall" strategy.
I'll say it again, it's akin to the drug war in that stifling the supply does not eliminate the demand.