The MinuteMan Project (MMP) - Negative feedback from our opponents

Desertdog · May 3, 2005

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http://www.minutemanproject.com/feedback/feedback_con.html

The MinuteMan Project (MMP) - Negative feedback from our opponents

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We have received hundreds upon hundreds of emails both supporting and opposing our efforts to do the job our government refuses to do. Below are a few of the negative comments we have received.

Caution: Some of the hate mail included below is racially charged, violent, vehemently anti-American, and pro-foreign domination of the United States. These comments reflect the attitudes of most opponents to the enforcement of U.S. immigration laws.

Also see:
Negative feedback page 2 page 3 (death and terrorist threats)
Positive feedback

(Here ar two examples ot some of the hate mail. Apparently, not everybody really cares for the MMP)
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The Minutemen Project is a group of men taking the laws into their own hands and we all understand centuries ago this type of organization was never successful!

J.R.

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I am asking you today to discuss with U.S. Representatives on this serious issue and allow the US. Border Patrol to handle the current situation not Minutemen! Yes there are many loop holes in our immigration system that can only be resolved by elected officialâ€™s vs. Minutemen Project!

I pay homage today to my 90 year old Grandmother (god bless her) for taking the risk years ago and crossing the borders to provide shelter, better living conditions and opportunities for all nine of her children who are successful business owners today in Ventura County!

I give gratitude to my family for their sacrifices and hardships working in the fields for over 25 years showing up for work rain or shine, working 15 hours a day to provide for their families and giving up their own personal dreams to allow me to pursue mine!

You see I also came from a generation of what we call today; illegal aliens!!

Ben Shepherd · May 3, 2005

Every stinkin' one of them needs a refresher course on national soveriegnty, period. :cuss:

Idiots!!!

As for gun related- funny isn't it: no mishaps, no lynchings, no shootouts, and President Bush calls them "vigilanties".

Gotta go now-the rest of my thoughts on this subject aren't fit for THR. :cuss:

:banghead: :banghead: :fire:

neoncowboy · May 3, 2005

.. and President Bush calls them "vigilanties".

He didn't actually call anyone vigilantes.

He did say, when asked about the MMP, that he was opposed to vigilantism.

Since we didn't see vigilantism reflected in the actions of the MMP, one can assume that he wasn't talking directly about the MMP...if one were to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Biker · May 3, 2005

I believe that the implication was clearly there although he did follow the slimy rules of 'plausable deniability'. However, I'm done giving him the "benefit of the doubt".
Biker

Cool Hand Luke 22:36 · May 3, 2005

When it comes to illegal immigration the question is whether Bush is on crack or is he on the take from Mexican drug money?

George S. · May 3, 2005

The Minutemen Project is a group of men taking the laws into their own hands and we all understand centuries ago this type of organization was never successful!

Gosh, J.R. Isn't that really what the first 'Minutemen' did in the late 1700's? Citizens tired of a group of people from a foreign country ruining our way of life sort of took the law into their own hands and the result of that action over 230 years ago was THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

I think J.R must have gotten an F in US History....

Standing Wolf · May 3, 2005

He didn't actually call anyone vigilantes.
He did say, when asked about the MMP, that he was opposed to vigilantism.

Once again, Bush doesn't say what he means or mean what he says.

You and your countrymen are so ridiculous. Your idea is typical of a person that are nothing to do. Why you've don't dead in the war you particippated? Unfortunately, i've not found your picture on site. I'll love to cross with your in street and crash your head, your son of a *****. Don't cross my path, or i'll make you burn.
You are nothing, like your countrymen.

You and your contrymen are a great amount of ****

True socialist intellectual leadership in action.

neoncowboy · May 4, 2005

It seems a little bit far fetched to me, but my mom (a wise woman) posed an interesting speculation about the president's motives...

Mexico is a corrupt state.
The president, whether we share his empathy or not, does have a heart for the mexican people.
Mexican immigrants are flooding to our country and sending resources home to their families and countrymen still in Mexico. One of the impacts this is having is that Mexicans are leaving the Catholic church in favor of protestantism and more specifically, the mexicans are having spiritual experiences in the USA that give them a hunger and thirst for justice, righteousness and freedom...which are in short supply in their nation. The immigrants are sending this religion home, along with other resources, creating in their countrymen a hunger and thirst for justice, righteousness and freedom.

If those things are happening, then it follows that at some point in the future, the hunger and thirst for justice, righteousness and freedom will grow in the hearts of the mexican people to the critical mass size where it prompts lasting, real democratic change in the government, society and culture of mexico.

Given that possibility, is the president (in an underhanded, gutless kind of way) using unenforced borders to facilitate a change in mexican policy and culture that eventually results in a mexico that mexicans don't have to flee in droves?

Like I said, far fetched...but still an interesting speculation.

Rebar · May 4, 2005

On the one hand, I agree with most people here that Bush should do something about the border.

But on the other, why come down so hard on him, when the border has always been like this? I cannot recall a time when there was any real control down there, except for the recent MM event. He's just maintaining the 100+ year status quo, there's no need to accuse him of being "on the take".

Highland Ranger · May 4, 2005

Seems like they miss the point and try to make it a racism issue.

Bottom line: want to come into the country? follow the rules. As my ancestors did.

And why are there rules? Because if we opened our doors to everyone, our entire economy would be overwhelmed by all the people seeking a handout

If the gates are opened wide be prepared for rampant domestic terrorism and failure of a overburdened social welfare system that would ultimately ensure a slip and slide back to the stone age.

Can't imagine that we hate ourselves that much that we desire destruction but maybe we do . . . .

wingman · May 4, 2005

Can't imagine that we hate ourselves that much that we desire destruction but maybe we do . . . .

My concern also, we take in more immigrants then all countries combined,
we hand over "taxpayer" money to all countries at a large rate, at the same
we are told our social security system is going down the tubes, our medical
care in my opinion is in trouble. We need to take a step back, control our
borders and immigration, continue to help when possible but the idea we
can be a feeding trough for the world needs to halt if we wish to survive.

mrhuckins · May 4, 2005

On the one hand, I agree with most people here that Bush should do something about the border.

But on the other, why come down so hard on him, when the border has always been like this?

I think the reason people are so upset about this is because our citizens are taking a stand, and doing something about the problem, because the government will not do anything more about it. And what does the President do when some citizens volunteer their time and efforts to try and make our country more secure? He implies that they are vigilantes. Perhaps the president is embarrassed that private individuals are doing something concrete and visable make a difference.

Cool Hand Luke 22:36 · May 4, 2005

But on the other, why come down so hard on him, when the border has always been like this? I cannot recall a time when there was any real control down there, except for the recent MM event. He's just maintaining the 100+ year status quo, there's no need to accuse him of being "on the take".

There was no need for stringent border control up untill about 1975 because the Mexicans weren't swarming across the border in the millions untill the mid 1970's.

Bush claims to be very much aware of the terror threat facing the US, yet he somehow arrives at the conclusion that securing the border with Mexico just isn't important in that context? Even after national security experts express their astonishment at Bush's inaction?

There is something here behind the scenes that is compelling Bush to ignore the extreme danger his open-border policy poses to the lives of millions of Americans.

Politicians don't generally stay on the wrong side of an issue that 75% of American voters are furiuous about unless there is an extremely compelling reason, like say a Federal indictment for bribery, tax evasion, etc. Either that or a religious motivation.

CentralTexas · May 4, 2005

Bush position is a simple one

follow the money again. Who want's cheap labor? Business interests.
Why kiss the Mexican prezs butt? Keep trade booming.
If Bush really had a soft heart,veterans and poor elderly etc would be a priority.
Usually things are as simple as they appear....
CT

Rebar · May 4, 2005

Bush hasn't been president since 1975, has he? Nor was he the one to sign NAFTA. And while he did imply the MM were vigilanties, Clinton would have had all of them arrested, or worse.

Look, I agree the border needs to be sealed. But blame Bush for the whole situation? I think the problem is of longer duration and complication then that. And sealing the border will have consequences, not all of the good, not all of them anticipated.

johnr · May 5, 2005

Everything I have on the subject is collected here:
Thunder on the Border ( the MinuteMan Project )

spartacus2002 · May 5, 2005

I cannot recall a time when there was any real control down there, except for the recent MM event.

Pres. Eisenhower rounded a bunch of illegal aliens up during his administration and sent them home. I believe he called it Operation Wetback (my apologies for the distasteful title, but that was what he called it).

BenW · May 5, 2005

I give gratitude to my family for their sacrifices and hardships working in the fields for over 25 years showing up for work rain or shine, working 15 hours a day to provide for their families and giving up their own personal dreams to allow me to pursue mine!

I always find it interesting that these people feel they have the market cornered on manual labor in the fields. Both my dad and my uncle did the same thing when they legally immigrated here from Germany in the late 50's. They did their time until they learned the language, then moved on to bigger and better things, happy to have the opportunity to become American citizens.

NikoFoxFire · May 5, 2005

*Caution: Some of the hate mail included below is racially charged, violent, vehemently anti-American, and pro-foreign domination of the United States. These comments reflect the attitudes of most opponents to the enforcement of U.S. immigration laws.*

You'll have to excuse me for being a hateful, antiamerican, pro-foreign communist nazi for disagreeing with you; Strangely enough, I do hear racially charged criticism of the Minuteman Policy (why no minutemen on the northern border?), but as far as the other parts are concerned, I've seen none of that. Does being pro humanity make me pro foreign? No. Does being outspoken make me violent? No. Are most opponents of the enforcement like that? NO! :banghead: Yeargh!
Man, please keep propaganda style demonization like this to yourself.

Desertdog · May 5, 2005

Niko

I do hear racially charged criticism of the Minuteman Policy (why no minutemen on the northern border?),

It is not at all racially motivated. You must remember we are talking about ILLEGAL persons only.

Maybe the reason "why no minutemen on the northern border" has to do with the fact that that the majority of Canadians come into this country LEGALLY, which we have no problem with.

We have no problems with the citizens of ANY country that come here LEGALLY. It is no a racial thing. There are immigration laws and we want them obeyed or enforced.

If they catch ILLEGAL persons from Canada, England, Germany, or any other country, they should be deported, just like persons from Mexico.

If you think there is a need for a MMP type operation on the Canadian border you are welcome to start it at any time. I am sure the MMP would be glad to give you good advice to get you started, if you would ask them.

wolf · May 5, 2005

You'll have to excuse me for being a hateful, antiamerican, pro-foreign communist nazi for disagreeing with you; Strangely enough, I do hear racially charged criticism of the Minuteman Policy (why no minutemen on the northern border?), but as far as the other parts are concerned, I've seen none of that

there are an estimated eleven to fifteen million illegal aliens in the US at the present time. Out of that number 75 to 80 % are hispanic..and of that number 85-90% are mexican..the border states are hit the hardest..and social services are not reimbursed by the federal govt...the effect of illegal immigration in cities large and small is a very hot topic...and it angers many that nothing is done by the feds.

do you think 15 million canadians will cross over anytime soon..granted the northern border is also lax..but until we have a mass influx from the north..the southern border is the hot point

itgoesboom · May 5, 2005

NikoFoxFire:

You'll have to excuse me for being a hateful, antiamerican, pro-foreign communist nazi for disagreeing with you;

I think the warning on the page is in refrence to letters such as:

> Here in my country, we donÂ´t like you stupid yankees sons of a non-culture
> society....
> Glad to know that some day Al Qaeda, will gas or nuke you dogs...Ha Ha Ha!
> And remember God is with the good ones, not with the dog ???? like your
> murdering veterans..

Or how about

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS ARE GONNA DIE.
> SOMEDAY ALQAEDA AND MEXICANS GONNA DESTROY YOUR ????ING COUNTRY.
> REMEMBER ME ??????? THIS NOT A JOKE, YOU ONLY HAVE TO WAIT FOR SOME NEWS OF
> US MAKING SUFFER AMERICANS IN MEXICO.
> I TOLD THIS IS NOT A GAME
> YOU ARE LOST
> HAIL SATAN

Or this

: THE WAR BEGIN NOW, ALL AMERICANS THINK THAT ARE PREPARED
BUT ITÂ¨S NOT TRUE,YOU SHOULD BE CLOSED IN YOUR HOUSES WITH YOUR MOM,BECAUSE
ALL LATIN PEOPLE ARE ANGRY AND DECIDED FIGHT, THEY WILL FIGHT FOR THE REAL
AMERICA AND NOT YOUR FALSE AMERICA..............SEE YOU IN
ARIZONA..........................IF YOU...........SURVIVE.........

I think those fit the description of

hate mail included below is racially charged, violent, vehemently anti-American, and pro-foreign domination of the United States. These comments reflect the attitudes of most opponents to the enforcement of U.S. immigration laws.*

I.G.B.

Ben Shepherd · May 5, 2005

I'm NOT saying President Bush IS or CREATED the problem-

I'm saying he is AWARE of the problem, refuses to act, and then has the audacity to call US citizens vigilanties.

GSB · May 5, 2005

(why no minutemen on the northern border?),

You gotta' love the headline. No bias there...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...358827&brand=theglobeandmail&force_login=true

U.S. vigilante group targets Canada

Associated Press

Tuesday, April 26, 2005

Washington â€” A civilian patrol group that has been monitoring the Mexican border for illegal immigrants wants to expand its mission to the Canadian border, organizers said Tuesday.

Minuteman Project leaders said their volunteers alerted U.S. authorities to more than 330 cases this month of illegal immigrants crossing into the United States across a 37-kilometre stretch of Arizona's southern border.

San · May 5, 2005

Uh, did anyone else pay attention to the name "minutemen." from the revolutionary war....(at least thats what i think it was from..) i dunno. Im gonna stay outta this other than to point that out.

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