Bush to focus on illegal immigration

I can just hear it now, when proof of citizenship is realized to be a central part of any solution. Oh my, the sky is falling. Everything sucks.

$10 dollar oranges are a myth, but what I'm hit up for in taxes to pay for illegal aliens in this state (California) would buy a heck of a lot of oranges and lettuce.

As other have said, the problem is WILL, or the lack of it. Bush began his bloviation with his favorite word, "compassion," and danced on from there. We don't need compassion, we need an iron fist. Anything less is self-destructive compromise and appeasement. Start taking employers who hire illlegals out in shackles, the way they did with the crooked Wall St. sharks and you will start heading in the right direction. Get legislation passed to stop social welfare give-aways to illegals; if you need to get new judges, do what's necessary to effect that, including impeachment. Make it clear that anyone crossing the border illegally will get more than a case of Evian water to make the desert bearable. If that means not being the most popular country among the humanitarian circles of the globalist mafia, so be it. We have to show that we care about our country and our culture enough to save it. Right now we're not doing that, and we're letting a bunch of hack politicians--they know who they are--sell us down the river. If we need a wall across the southern border, fine, let's build one; if it costs $10 billion, fine, take it from somewhere else and call it a WPA project. We can get the Katrina crowd to work on it; it will teach them valuable building skills.

Bush's speech was refried beans, full of flatulence. He's determined to lose that last few conservatives who've been hanging on out of habit, I guess. This is our country, not Bush's, not the globalists', not the corporations', and certainly not Mexico's.

Mockers may say, what are we going to do, bomb Mexico City? I say, hey, let this problem get a lot worse, and there WILL, without doubt, be Americans crying for just that.

Camp David said:

Good luck with that... suggest you use a bullhorn at night as they hop across border and ignore you!

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I think you missed my point. Maybe it’s time Uncle Sam had a serious talk with Cousin Poncho. Something like this, “if you can’t take care of your own household then someone else may just have to step in and do it for you” kind of talks. Apply a little pressure, cut a little aid and so on and so fourth.

Perhaps its time for Cousin Poncho to have a little set down with corporate USA and explain to them that Mexican Nationals will no longer be the profit margins for US owned companies.

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Finally, if nobody would hire them here, they would not be coming. The first wave of repatriates bringing stories of no jobs and heavy fines will do miracles to stave off the tide. Instead, potential invaders are being fed sitcoms about how successful the illegals are/can be.

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I also like Cannoneer’s idea.

Camp David said:

Heck in my backyard here in VA the county wants to build the illegal aliens a massive employment center so they can steal our jobs! How stupid are we?

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Dude we are so stupid, I feel for ya.

Hannity just interviewed Chertoff, who said it would be a carrot and stick approach. First, 11 million illegals get automatic amnesty. He says for 6 years, but that will change. Then, the government 'cracks down' on employers hiring illegals. Exactly what 'cracks down' means he didn't say.

Wanna bet when the dust settles this will amount to no more than amnesty, thereby eliminating the 'illegal' status thus the problem???

Eleven million. Plus spouses. Plus kids. Plus relatives. Figure 50 million.

With the next wave to come.

Well, we know where we stand. Ripeness is all.

Hey, look. Here is some $30,000,000.00 a year we could spend on a decent fence with Mexico. Foreign Aid to Mexico.

Wanna bet when the dust settles this will amount to no more than amnesty, thereby eliminating the 'illegal' status thus the problem???

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You mean like the amnesty granted to illegals during the Reagan admin? The one that was supposed to be accompanied by "Strong Border and Immigration Enforcement"?

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R.H. Lee said:

Hannity just interviewed Chertoff, who said it would be a carrot and stick approach. First, 11 million illegals get automatic amnesty. He says for 6 years, but that will change. Then, the government 'cracks down' on employers hiring illegals. Exactly what 'cracks down' means he didn't say.

Wanna bet when the dust settles this will amount to no more than amnesty, thereby eliminating the 'illegal' status thus the problem???

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I won't take that bet. Candles on a cow-pie don't make it a birthday cake.
BOHICA...
Biker

It's just appeasement pap to spoon feed the conservative base in order get the Republicans through next year's election. Then it's back to 'compassion'.

R.H. Lee said:

Wanna bet when the dust settles this will amount to no more than amnesty, thereby eliminating the 'illegal' status thus the problem???

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And a lot of the cost of really dealing with it completely. The seminal issue is really border states providing public services to people who don't pay taxes. This impacts most states to some extent, depending upon dispersion. That issue will need to be addressed somehow. We are not responsible for every sick child in the world, but once they're here it becomes an issue of moral responsibility and yes, compassion. Somehow the tide must be stemmed, but I am open to being persuaded that there is a practical way of dealing with those already here.

So the administration completely fails its responsibility to secure the borders during the first 5 years in office, and 4 years after 9/11, then declares the problem essentially unsolvable. Upon realizing it's in danger of losing a portion of its constituency in the upcoming election, it devises a plan to talk about the problem until the election is over. Anybody who buys this is drinking way too much koolaid.

havn't read all four pages but I did see his little speach. Half of it I had to yell the word military at the screen (yeah Im a tv abuser )

Is it in the right direction? Sure, half assed direction is better then the no direction we have seen so far from bush on the issue. People used to come into this country legaly for two reasons. One- There was an effecient way of doing it- IE Elis Island. Also there was kind of the fact that was a long pond to swin across...not exactly the rio grand heh.

Second though was we wern't shy about inforcing the law. Coming to America was a privlage, not some human right.

Given there is nothing but a fence (in some areas anyway) we have no big thing that needs to be crossed. We also have no effecient way to immigrate so there is no incentive to. What we need to do is militerize the boarder, shoot a few illegals on sight of crossing the fence see how many keep trying. At the same time make an effecient way to immigrate, but you need to make them use it. For the Europeans it was the Atlantic ocean, for the Asians the Pacific. For people who share our boarder and all they have to do is walk it needs to be put there by us, either by a wall you somehow can't go over of with the military.

Bush also touched on something. Assimilation. Earlier generations that came here had to learn our ways. Plain and simple. Did you have to give up yourself completly? No, but you had to learn the ways of this country. You have to conform to your new home, we don't have to conform to you. When Italians came over they couldn't want anywhere and expect to find someone to translate. No they had to learn how to speak the language. Every other wave of immigrents had to conform, the Mexicans shouldn't get special treatment in that respect.

Bush also touched on something. Assimilation. Earlier generations that came here had to learn our ways. Plain and simple. Did you have to give up yourself completly? No, but you had to learn the ways of this country. You have to conform to your new home, we don't have to conform to you. When Italians came over they couldn't want anywhere and expect to find someone to translate. No they had to learn how to speak the language. Every other wave of immigrents had to conform, the Mexicans shouldn't get special treatment in that respect.

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Bush's "plan" presupposes we as a society want a work program. Such programs permit people to live in the US but not assimilate. Over time physical ghettos grow to reinforce mental ghettos. Inhabitants of said ghettos are victimized by blissninny organizations and organized crime (c.f. France). Do we want to structurally create cultural ghettos which are destined to create problems (c.f. France, UK, Belgium, Chermany, etc.) or do we want to create the legal and social environment which forces people to assimilate. You don't wanna assimilate? Fine, go away.

I get a little edgy when the president (regardless of which party) makes a series of assumptions without forcing a debate on a key component of the Grand Plan.

Lupinus said:

Earlier generations that came here had to learn our ways. Plain and simple. Did you have to give up yourself completly? No, but you had to learn the ways of this country. You have to conform to your new home, we don't have to conform to you. When Italians came over they couldn't want anywhere and expect to find someone to translate. No they had to learn how to speak the language. Every other wave of immigrents had to conform, the Mexicans shouldn't get special treatment in that respect.

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I don't believe that's accurate. Immigrants established and lived in ethnic communities and still do.

My niece got a job with a bank because she was a Spanish major and was to work in a branch that served a Mexican neighborhood.

RealGun said:

My niece got a job with a bank because she was a Spanish major and was to work in a branch that served a Mexican neighborhood.

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Point made. I expect that this bank also accepts the matricular whatsitsname as a valid ID?
Biker

We are not responsible for every sick child in the world, but once they're here it becomes an issue of moral responsibility and yes, compassion.

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Speaking of assumptions, there's one, and a big one. "Compassion" is going to be our undoing, just as the rule of law now means a society in the iron fist of the legal class. Beware your noblest virtues; they may kill you.

Bush's plan is designed first and foremost to help the illegal immigrant. That is the priority whereas protecting the rights and treasure of American citizens and taxpayers is what that priority should be. I expect this lunacy to proceed until there's finally a social upheaval--which is probably precisely what the ruling elites really want. (Whether they are smart to want it remains to be seen.)

My niece got a job with a bank because she was a Spanish major and was to work in a branch that served a Mexican neighborhood.

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What do we mean by "iron fist?"

We mean a President who would work to revoke the business licenses of commercial operations that aid and abet criminal behavior.

My niece got a job with a bank because she was a Spanish major and was to work in a branch that served a Mexican neighborhood.

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That's a modern phenomenon. Immigrants in the past learned English and became part of the American culture because government and business did not cater to them in their native language. Those who remained cloistered in their own neighborhoods cut themselves off from opportunity and prosperity. Today, we have a subculture of illegals and second class citizens who do not speak English nor participate in the American culture. They don't have to; government provides everything they need and in their own language to boot.

I don't believe that's accurate. Immigrants established and lived in ethnic communities and still do.

My niece got a job with a bank because she was a Spanish major and was to work in a branch that served a Mexican neighborhood.

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This is true. People did tend to group together that is natural human nature. But if you left that Italian community how was it looked on? They came to America because they wanted to be Americans. Not loose themselves, hell NYC still has Italian street fairs. But they also were Americans and were willing to become Americans. The modern hispanic immigrints arn't to keen on the idea.

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This is true. People did tend to group together that is natural human nature. But if you left that Italian community how was it looked on? They came to America because they wanted to be Americans. Not loose themselves, hell NYC still has Italian street fairs. But they also were Americans and were willing to become Americans. The modern hispanic immigrints arn't to keen on the idea.

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In southern Kal (which is where much of the infection originates) the mexs have a phrase called "reconquista." They are pretty much united on the premise that they will steal the American southwest from us. They believe we stole it from them. Well, if anyone did any stealing it was from the Indians. Not the mexs.

But now they've seen we're such retards as to welcome the entire third world into our borders they've decided they want all of the US. And Jorge Bush is helping them along. What does he care? He doesn't have to work for a living. No mex is taking his job.

A talk radio host in Tulsa said at the current rate America will be mex in 45 years. He's wrong. I give it 12 years. Tops.

We are best to consider Bush a de facto Mexican. A lot of things become clearer that way. He has two Mexican nationals in his clan, and his family has long had ties south of the border. This is one more verboten topic amongst the MSM.

longeyes said:

We are best to consider Bush a de facto Mexican. A lot of things become clearer that way. He has two Mexican nationals in his clan, and his family has long had ties south of the border. This is one more verboten topic amongst the MSM.

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If this was really true, a Fair and Balanced network would report it. Heh heh...
Biker

When they do it will probably be in Spanish. Give it a few years.

on a mission from Dios

I suspect like all globalists Bush has something of the "missionary" in him. That's the compassionate side that keeps pushing out no matter how his venal instincts keep pushing it down. He just hasn't figured out what gospel he really wants to preach. Global corporate capitalism? The advancement of the Latino? Freedom under every rock? So many ideals, so little time.

First thing Bush needs to do is start having the border patrols uniforms made someplace other than MEXICO. I hope he closes the gate before they all get in.

one eyed fatman said:

First thing Bush needs to do is start having the border patrols uniforms made someplace other than MEXICO. I hope he closes the gate before they all get in.

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Good God! The population of Mexico is right around a hundred mill. There are maybe 10-20 mill here now. His newest proposal is a virtual amnesty which will guarantee that illegal border crossings will at least double in the near future. History bears this out.
Before he closes the gate, we have to erect one. How many more will get in before that happens?
'Course, that couldn't be part of the plan, could it?
Biker