El Tejon
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Art, I guess our respective votes are going to cancel each other out then. 
McCain, Kennedy propose amnesty plan for illegals
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DRZinn
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Personally, I agree with Art. I wish no-one else would come here, and those here would have fewer children.
But that's different from saying that we should _prohibit_ them from coming here.
But that's different from saying that we should _prohibit_ them from coming here.
Whose history? Whose fact? Which immigration laws? All immigration laws? Is that assertion true of Bolivia's immigration laws? Tahiti's?
They would be criminals who got away with it. I really don't see as a desirable "new citizen" someone whose first act toward their "new country" is a deliberate and knowing violation of that country's laws.
1. It's irrelevant.
2. King George really didn't have any control over immigration into the United States, now, did he?
3. Seems to me he favored it, seeing as how he sent a lot of people, including some of my ancestors, to Georgia. But they came here via a legal process.
About studies: whose studies? There are studies and there are studies, and studies can come out very differently depending upon the studiers and their sponsors. I have seen a lot of coverage of the damage done to hospitals and to the social services institutions by illegal immigrants along our southern border. Does that damage not count? Do we ignore it?
About Indians: I don't follow your implication relative to my motivation. I do think that there are lessons there, real historical lessons.
My objections to illegal aliens are because of my own experience that they are a drain on our social systems, on our economy, and a cancer on our society. That does not mean ALL of them, but overall, taken as a whole. There are exceptions to everything.
And my objection to illegal aliens applies equally as well to Canadians, Norwegians, Scots and Germans as to Latin Americans. There is a legal process. Follow it, or be deported with prejudice.
First, this country is not McCain and Kennedy's, nor the Congress', to give away to hoards of invaders.
Second, anyone coming to this country needs to speak English. I, for one, am damn tired of dealing with 2 languages everywhere I go.
Second, anyone coming to this country needs to speak English. I, for one, am damn tired of dealing with 2 languages everywhere I go.
horge
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Tejon,
Since the resources/wherewithal to support immigrants is fearfully deemed to be finite (lebensraum being the first knee-jerk of the hooded, bedsheet-clad, pseudo-Aryan whiners), 'percentage of total immigrants' isn't the issue. It is actual raw numbers that count, and the realistically-projected numbers to come afterwards.
Once again, compare the actual number of Irish immigrants (legal or otherwise) in the last spike with the present inundation from the South ---with no peak in sight-- and you have to note some legitimate cause for concern with regard to sustainability.
It's not that the present wave of immigration is so Mejicano--after all immigrants'd have to be some foreign nationality; and it's not that they're 'brown', because they're really all sorts of colors. It is again, a concern for sustainability: now, if the bulk of new illegal immigrants come in from the South, where do you think the worried eyes will be turned? Not to Eire or Scotland, laddie; and not North to Canada, 'ey?
Mala in se or mala in prohibita, illegal immigration remains nonetheless a violation of the law of your United States of America. Ultimately this is your problem, so maybe I should butt out of this thread.
That said, I have a strong feeling the future Mrs. Tejon is someone you already know, and as scorchingly-hot as anyone I could possibly think of. Don't let her slip away, hijo!
horge
Since the resources/wherewithal to support immigrants is fearfully deemed to be finite (lebensraum being the first knee-jerk of the hooded, bedsheet-clad, pseudo-Aryan whiners), 'percentage of total immigrants' isn't the issue. It is actual raw numbers that count, and the realistically-projected numbers to come afterwards.
Once again, compare the actual number of Irish immigrants (legal or otherwise) in the last spike with the present inundation from the South ---with no peak in sight-- and you have to note some legitimate cause for concern with regard to sustainability.
It's not that the present wave of immigration is so Mejicano--after all immigrants'd have to be some foreign nationality; and it's not that they're 'brown', because they're really all sorts of colors. It is again, a concern for sustainability: now, if the bulk of new illegal immigrants come in from the South, where do you think the worried eyes will be turned? Not to Eire or Scotland, laddie; and not North to Canada, 'ey?
Mala in se or mala in prohibita, illegal immigration remains nonetheless a violation of the law of your United States of America. Ultimately this is your problem, so maybe I should butt out of this thread.
That said, I have a strong feeling the future Mrs. Tejon is someone you already know, and as scorchingly-hot as anyone I could possibly think of. Don't let her slip away, hijo!
horge
horge
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Just as necessary as your own note of it.
Or just as unnecessary, if you wish.
Only actual, precisely-described "hooded, bedsheet-clad, pseudo-Aryan whiners" should feel alluded to, and if they feel offended by an accurate depiction, then they need to curb their own offensively-inaccurate whining.
Or just as unnecessary, if you wish.
Only actual, precisely-described "hooded, bedsheet-clad, pseudo-Aryan whiners" should feel alluded to, and if they feel offended by an accurate depiction, then they need to curb their own offensively-inaccurate whining.
horge
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'Gone South', what?
AZ Jeff
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As another sorta-old fart, I agree with Art Eatman. But, since that's not likely to happen (stopping ALL immigration and burgeoning population), here is my concern with our current situation.
We are letting in persons into this country of which we know NOTHING of their BACKGROUND. What I mean by this is the following:
1. are they wanted in their own country for crimes?
2. are they wanted in any other country for crimes?
3. are they already judged mentally deficient, and once they arrive here, they become a burden to US taxpayers?
4. do they have affiliations with groups (domestic or foreign) that want to destroy the US gov or society?
Our (legal) immigration system supposedly checks for the above issues. We know for a FACT that an illegal system of immigration does NOT check for those issues.
The fact that most of the people immigrating illegally are of hispanic descent plays NO PART in this issue, in my mind. If CANADIANS were illegally immigrating, I would see the same issue the same way.
The issue is more germaine now than it was 10 years ago or more because the US has finally woken up and discovered (via 9/11) that there are persons and groups out there that want our system of goverment and our society destroyed. And what better way to do it that from within...........
Amnesty is stupid. All it does is send a message to illegals (of any race and color) that if you get here via any method, you are "home free". It certainly does NOT do anything to dissuade potential illegal immigrees from trying to get in, and if anything adds further incentive.
Our politicians are babbling on about amnesty for one reason only--they are PANDERING to what they believe to be the hispanic voting block. (It remains to be seen if the hispanics who are here already and able to vote actually think amnesty is a good thing.)
Too bad amnesty will also grant legal status to Abdul the Terrorist, who sneaked in via our southern back door.
We are letting in persons into this country of which we know NOTHING of their BACKGROUND. What I mean by this is the following:
1. are they wanted in their own country for crimes?
2. are they wanted in any other country for crimes?
3. are they already judged mentally deficient, and once they arrive here, they become a burden to US taxpayers?
4. do they have affiliations with groups (domestic or foreign) that want to destroy the US gov or society?
Our (legal) immigration system supposedly checks for the above issues. We know for a FACT that an illegal system of immigration does NOT check for those issues.
The fact that most of the people immigrating illegally are of hispanic descent plays NO PART in this issue, in my mind. If CANADIANS were illegally immigrating, I would see the same issue the same way.
The issue is more germaine now than it was 10 years ago or more because the US has finally woken up and discovered (via 9/11) that there are persons and groups out there that want our system of goverment and our society destroyed. And what better way to do it that from within...........
Amnesty is stupid. All it does is send a message to illegals (of any race and color) that if you get here via any method, you are "home free". It certainly does NOT do anything to dissuade potential illegal immigrees from trying to get in, and if anything adds further incentive.
Our politicians are babbling on about amnesty for one reason only--they are PANDERING to what they believe to be the hispanic voting block. (It remains to be seen if the hispanics who are here already and able to vote actually think amnesty is a good thing.)
Too bad amnesty will also grant legal status to Abdul the Terrorist, who sneaked in via our southern back door.
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RealGun
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I would say that they are afraid to tamper with the immigration status quo because it could result in substantial inflation...either that or reduced profits of corporations that rely on cheap labor...probably both over time. You figure out who exactly is concerned about immigration control and who would favor amnesty programs. What I despise is the use of for-the-children arguments. That is SO disingenuous.
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