CCW for small framed individuals

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1.) So, I'm 5'8 140lbs or so... I fire a Bersa 380 with Corbon JHPs. Can anyone think of another concealable weapon for small framed individuals that's affordable?


2.) My fiancee is 5'2 100lbs... and she doesn't want to shoot anything above a .22lr (I'm working on a 32acp for her). However, as we all should know- it's better for someone to shoot a weapon that they're comfortable with than to NOT shoot an uncomfortable weapon. We might get a Beretta Bobcat. I was thinking about giving her a walther tph or perhaps a "wannabe" walther style pistol (since they're cheaper). Any suggestions?
 
Yep, Phenom, she tried the NAA 32 acp, but since it was so small, the kick was too much for her. If I'm going to take her to a .32, I think I'll have to give her a medium sized pistol... like the original Walther PPK... perhaps a SIG- if they have it readily available.
 
I'm actually a little smaller than you...

I carry a J-frame S&W OWB over my right hip, t-shirt tucked in and un-tucked "camp" type shirt over it. In the winter (this is CO) I can carry a full sized 1911 IWB with a coat or vest. I do have to wear 2" larger waist pants to accomplish this (34" instead of 32" :p ). Getting the right holster is the trick.

Also, I have a KelTec P3AT with a pocket holster that slips nicely into my waistband. I found out the hard way though, if I tuck it too far back, it irritates the sciatic nerve and gives me a heck of a backache for a while.
 
Thanks Larry...

I was thinking more for a shoulder holster for myself. (I work for the Criminal Division of the local court house- so I can wear suits)

Any advise about a .22lr for my sweetheart? She wears dresses all the time... so perhaps one for a small purse or strapped to the inside of her leg? (No, I don't mean to be James Bond-ish)
 
My daughter (your friend's size) does quite well with my KAHR P9. Small, light weight, one of the best handguns for concealment, and at 9mm not a bad kick.

As mentioned, my daughter handles it well. Might consider it.

Good Luck!
 
Taurus .32 H&R Mag

I just got a Taurus 731 .32 H&R mag revolver and it is like firing a bb bun. it is also pretty easy to conceal.
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Kahr P9 or Kahr PM9... I've heard a lot about them. Excellent suggestion. As for the 'Gent asking about the Taurus 1911... visit gunblast.com
(Do us a favor, though... if you're wanting to know about a particular weapon, start your own thread)

My opinion of most 1911s is that you're either hoping for a) accuracy or
b) reliability

It is my belief that most 1911s are relatively dependable... but if you want a 1911... go with the Rock Island Armory (it's cheaper than the Taurus and I know for a fact that mine NEVER stovepiped or had problems)
 
Sigs are excellent Barbara but very expensive. The Beretta 85 Cheetah just might be the ticket. A grip that fits your hand like a glove will reduce the felt recoil quite a bit.
 
For you:
Kahr MK9 and Kel-tec P-3AT are great for me. I'm... um... Wider than you, but shorter and have a small meaty hand that knocks out a bunch of guns.

The Kahr is a bit more $$$ than you may be looking for. Got a very good deal on mine so that's why it rides with me.

Kel-tec's P-11 is a good size but I HATE the trigger. Their PF-9 due out soon may fit the bill in $$ and size, but good luck getting your hands on one.

The Glock 26 (used) is a bit bigger, but my be a good fit.

OH! and +1 on the Sig. The 239 is a GREAT gun and fit my hands fairly well. Again, gonna pay a weensie bit more for that than the Bersa.

For her:
What about the Tauri wheelguns in .22lr or .22 Mag???

the Taurus 941x2 is a 2" .22 Mag with 8 rounds.
the 94x2 is a 2" .22LR with 9 rounds.

Not the best thing in the world, but better than a sharp stick. And 9 rounds of .22LR fired in rapid succession is gotta hurt.

Get one in Stainless and not too many bad guys are gonna say, "Hey! That’s only a .22! What are you trying to pull?!"
 
thanks for the advice, arthur. I've got long, piano-man fingers, so, I don't have to worry about "meaty" hands. I'll try a few Kahrs. I don't like KelTecs or Glocks :):gasp::) because of their light frames. Believe it or not, I don't even like H&Ks for that same reason. I bet I just got 1,000 tomatos thrown at me. But, I like heavy 1911s and "solid, weighted" frames. (brownie points from some people)

I don't know if anyone can relate, but it's that certain "feel" in my hands that makes me comfortable. 1911's... PT92s... walther/bersa (perhaps SIGs)... they all "feel right".

Does anybody relate to what I'm saying?
 
I bet I just got 1,000 tomatos thrown at me.

Not from me. My primary is the MK9. That's a heavy little bugger for it's size. I don't like the PM's because of the plastic grip.

The glocks I deal with (and grudgingly like... sort of) because they fit a niche (light, reliable, and I won't cry if I drop one in the mud or scratch the finish). Same as my Kel-tec. But happieness is a nice heavy well balanced steel gun in my hand, slide locked back, and the air around me clearing slowly.
 
A .22 FOR LADIE'S CARRY GUN ....

Instead of having her miss with a 14 round Super-Duper Jam-O-Matic with a red-dot sight because she shoots with her eyes closed and won't practice with, get her a small frame, short barrelled .22 Magnum revolver.

At the close ranges (the 21 foot rule?) where a woman is likely to be forced to use a gun, six or maybe even eight ...22 Magnum LLP's (Little Lead Pills) will suffice. I have gotten my wife up to shooting a .38 Special snubby but all she'll shoot in it is wadcutters. From what I read, the new .22 Mags are right up there in the same power class as the load she likes. BTY, she likes it a lot so now she shoots with me often and shoots well.

Especially for a woman, a wheelgun is less prone to jams and malfunctions plus the number of rounds available to the shooter is the same or nearly the same as the small autos.

JMHO ....

GrayBear
 
The Burnside Ninja,

To get back to addressing your question re: .22LR gun choices, look into the Beretta 21-A Bobcat in .22LR...tip-up barrel for loading/unloading/easy cleaning, reliable (with ammo like CCI's Stingers), and as accurate as you can shoot it. I recommend the "Inox" version (Stainless Steel slide and barrel).

Have one myself and soon am getting a .32ACP Beretta 3032 Tomcat (also Inox) to replace the 21-A as my CCW/CHL carry gun.

-- John D.
 
I forgot to mention...

If you want a no-recoil gun get the .32 H&R mag and shoot .32 acp through it. It is like shooting a cap gun. Anyone that can shoot a .22 will be able to shoot it without flinching.
 
I am just a hair smaller than you are...

Here is a SHORT list for you...

Kahr CW9
Kahr P9
Kahr P40
Kel-Tec 3AT
S&W 908s
S&W 3913
SIG P239
Springfield Ultra Compact 1911
Kimber Ultra Carry II 1911
Taurus PT-111 (w/ new SA/DA Trigger)
Taurus PT-140 (w/ new SA/DA Trigger)
Taurus PT-745
S&W 647 .38Spl
Taurus 731 .32 H&R Mag (great Load, lightweight, Better than ANY .22lr)


I carry with all of them - all fit nicely!
 
NAAs are unreliable...have you ever opened one up to look at the delicate lockwork inside? And while the outside is nicely machined, the inside looks like it was done in some sweat shop in China.

I talked about the NAA Mini-Revolvers (had 2 of them, a .22LR and .22Mag) elsewhere. Point is, I no longer carry the thing after it broke twice.

Would not recommend the NAA Mini-Revolver to anyone I really cared about.

Not even to strangers, either!

The Beretta 21-A Inox took over when the NAA failed.

-- John D.
 
Thought I would add these...

Here are some pics of my Seecamp LWS .32acp
It is a very stout little gun...all steel construction so it has almost no kick even though it is tiny. It is a little heavy but worth it to not have the recoil.
It is also super easy to conceal...even for someone like myself that cannot stand baggy clothes.
 

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There is a common belief that small people should shoot small guns. On another thread the following was mentioned by yours truly and it sort of puts things in a different perspective, when compared to the usual "gun/caliber war" mierda normally flung about:

According to real LE shooting reports, most criminals within 20 feet, or 2 car lengths, even when shot, still have enough steam to come get your ass. If they are carrying a knife, for example, you'll likely be stabbed, maybe fatally. Especially if they are sufficiently adrenalized or drug induced at the time. Under stress, can you hit them where it counts enough times, to keep them from crossing that 20 foot "Drop Zone?"

Remember, we know this because this is data from genuine, righteous cop shootings with 9MM, .357's, and one presumes, the newer midbores. I remember Mas Ayoob made much of this back in the 80's when he was a columnist with Combat Handguns. These incidents involve cops who at least train, practice and qualify on a periodic basis. And to be fair, these are also LE encounters, which by their very nature, are "pumped up" to start with.

But it is a sobering thought, all told. It puts all our planning, "caliber wars" and other regurgitations into the realm of a crapshoot, any way you slice it.

However, it's been my experience that in any crapshoot, you can't possibly come out a winner if you dont bring enough stake to stay in the game.


The First Rule of Gunfighting is: "Bring a Gun."

The second should be: "Know That You Can Confidently Hit a Human Target With It, If You Must."

One might consider the third as being: "Ensure That It Delivers Sufficient Power(Energy) On Target."

I like to call this my "Tripart Wisdom of Gunfighting" - mostly 'cause I like to use big words. :D

Does this mean that a .500 S&W should be your carry weapon? No. But the .380 ACP is accepted from real shooting data as being the minimum. I would consider the right .32 MAG load in the same group, although there is little data to support this.

The .22 Mag has a 40-42% effectiveness rating - sorry, not good enough. The .25, worse. Ditto the .32ACP. Personally, I consider the .38 snub the minimum, with a 70-75% rating with the right loads. If you are recoil or blast shy, there are a number of good standard pressure "wonder loads" these days, for most of the common carry calibers. The CorBon and Federal Hydra Shock comes to mind.

But, mostly, all of this means you need to become acclimated to your gun via practice and work to toughen yourself to the thing - there is no "Magic Pill.". We're talking armed response here, not cap guns or paintball wars. This is serious S*%T. One must follow suit and get serious. :scrutiny:

Whatever gun you DO use, follow the Tripart Wisdom of Gunfighting
 
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