CCW Gun and Gear for small frame sister

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Hello all,

My sister (5'5", small frame) is interested in obtaining her CCW permit, as well as a firearm and holster.

First off, I will be referring her to the Cornered Cat webpage.

Second, she does have firearm experience, and is a scary good shot with her S&W 681 4". Her first 50 shots with that S&W, from 7 yds fired double action two handed unsupported, made one ragged golf-ball sized hole, save for 3 or 4 flyers!

After talking to her about it, her preferred carry methods at this point are ankle and purse carry (and I did mention the drawbacks of purse carry). She is NOT interested in belt carry. Smartcarry or Thunderwear may be an option that I neglected to mention.

Her preference is for a revolver, obviously a compact one for ankle carry. She tried my S&W 642, and though she was a good shot with it, she did not care for the felt recoil one bit. She did like the size, ergonomics and the way it handled though. And she asserted that an enclosed hammer is a must, as she wants no hang ups, and if she must fire the gun through her purse, she does not want anything getting in the way of the falling hammer. And she acknowledged that she doesn't shoot single action anyway.

I immediately thought something like a S&W 640 might be a good gun for her to consider, and hopefully try out. Basically my 642 with more heft and the option of .357 Mag, if she so chooses. If she can't find a 640 to try, I advised that the Model 60 is the same thing with an exposed hammer. The Model 36 and 37 would also be options as well, at least for testing. A Ruger SP101 might work for testing; if she finds it uncomfortable to shoot, she probably won't like a 640 either.

Other options include steel versions of the Taurus 650 and 850. The S&W Model 40 is another choice. You get the idea.

As for tiny autos, she (like me) does NOT like the tiny grips on guns like the P3AT, LCP, etc. She said it feels like there is nothing to hold onto.

Other suggestions are of course welcome, and requested.

As for carry rigs, I have ZERO knowledge of ankle holsters for smaller framed individuals. And I'm not even sure how doable carry of a J-Frame .38 is or is not. And for purse carry, do you ladies out there use a dedicated CCW purse, or do you use a pocket holster to secure the gun? Are there dedicated purse holsters out there?

Budget isn't an issue, but like most of us, saving money is always welcome.

Thank you for your help!
 
one gun you may want to look at is the ruger sp101. it is a heavier .357 and .38s are a pleasure to shoot. it can be had with a bobbed or exposed hammer and barrel lengths of 2 1/4 or 3 1/16. i have the 3" barrel with an exposed hammer and i love the way it balences. a good quality ankle holster should be able to carry it comfortably. as far as purpose made ccw purses, there are several of them out there. just do a quick google search on them and take your pick.
 
Try an LCP with the magazine extension in the front. It adds one more finger grip to the hold.

I would recommend an LCP or a 642 Airweight. The .380 is not a barn burner, although I'm sure you could get some heavy loads, but I wouldn't recommend a steady diet of them in that gun or in the KelTec.

With the 642, you can get non +P loads which are controllable and the rubber grip that comes on the gun provides a good hold. Someone with a small frame I would think would have smallish hands and thin fingers. I don't know what the issue is with holding, unless she just needs to build up strength in her hands!

I would NOT recommend an ankle holster unless this is her BUG to another more convenient gun. Robert Mika makes EXCELLENT pocket holsters. I would think a pocket holster would work for both pocket and purse. She DOES NOT want to carry without some type of holster as anything could snag the trigger which could result in an AD.

I'm familiar with the SP101, as I used to have one. It is a nice gun, but a bit on the large size if one wants to carry 24/7/365.
 
Revolvers you can't go wrong with a s&w j-frame. The lcr seems nice too.
For semi-auto, Kahrs are very nice and compact.
 
Revolvers you can't go wrong with a s&w j-frame.

This. ^^^

Load it up with some .38 Special +P JHPs or some +P 158g LSWCHP and call it good.

Check out the S&W model 638. One of my faves.
 
I have an older S&W Centennial - the one with the totally concealed hammer - in .357 Magnum. I shot it with regular .357's and felt there was too much flash and muzzle-blast. I then bought some .357's with heavier bullets, figuring the heavy bullets would accelerate a little slower and thereby make a little better use of the powder burn. Don't know if that makes sense, but it seemed like a good idea to me.

My only comment is that, if you don't have a flinch, that .357 Centennial will give you one! One time I bought some wood stocks to put on it, thinking that they would "print" less under my shirt, but after I fired it, the rubber ones went back on!

But, you can always use .38 Spl in it - and with probably not much loss in velocity, thinking that most of the powder gets burned after the slug is already out of the end of that 2-1/8" barrel.

The nice thing about the Centennial is that you can actually fire it from inside a pocket (or purse) - but it probably would set your clothes on fire if you did so.

The S&W J-Frame revolver with the shrouded hammer seems interesting, as it gives the option of cocking it SA to make a deliberate aimed shot.

Honestly, my usual CCW piece is a Bersa .380. It fits me better than did my Walther PPK/S (which always left railroad tracks on my hand), and actually is more reliable. It's light enough that I'm not always hiking my pants up, holds more ammo than the Centennial and is faster to reload to boot, and is flatter and more concealable without even the minimal cylinder-bulge that the Centennial has. And I bought a matching .22LR version for cheap practice.
 
Purse carry ??? What happens when the bad guy takes away the purse ? There has to be a better way.
 
If she likes revolvers and is interested in a J Frame I recommend any of the steel or alumimum framed J frames. I would stay away from the Scadium or Titanium guns as they are just too light and are very hard to shoot well.

I think you overlooked the S&W 649 and the older 49 Bodyguard in your list. They have a hammer, but it is concealed by a shroud. This gives you a snag free profile yet retains SA capability.

As far as loads for a J frame, skip the .357. It's just too punishing out of the short barrel and with the typical J frame grips. Rubber grips help, but it's still punishing.

I'd go with the round designed for the 2" snub: The Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel 135 gr .38 +P.
 
I agree with the P3AT or LCP with the finger extension on the mag. It makes a big difference in handling and the gun is easy to use, accurate enough and powerful enough.
 
I think you overlooked the S&W 649 and the older 49 Bodyguard in your list. They have a hammer, but it is concealed by a shroud. This gives you a snag free profile yet retains SA capability.

Ah yes, I had forgotten about the 49/649. They are all steel, which is what she is looking for, and they don't have a hammer sticking out that can get snagged. Though she prefers a totally enclosed hammer (as I said, she only shoots DA anyway), these would work just as well and open up more options in the used market.

Purse carry ??? What happens when the bad guy takes away the purse ? There has to be a better way.

Yeah, that is what I advised her about. And on ankle carry, I suggested that she strap 1.5-2 lbs to her ankle and walk around for a day to see how it works.

She is looking over the different carry options on Corned Cat. She is warming up to the idea of something like a belly band, or even smartcarry/thunderwear. Either of these, if doable for her, would be better than purse or ankle carry IMO.

I would NOT recommend an ankle holster unless this is her BUG to another more convenient gun. Robert Mika makes EXCELLENT pocket holsters. I would think a pocket holster would work for both pocket and purse. She DOES NOT want to carry without some type of holster as anything could snag the trigger which could result in an AD.

If she were to purse carry, she agrees that something like a Robert Mika pocket holster would be a MUST, and she would carry it in a separate compartment (or whatever you ladies call it :eek:). Either that or she could get a dedicated concealed carry purse, but again, I did advise her about all the problems associated with any kind of "off body" carry.

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To those suggesting airweights, she does not like the kick of my 642 one bit, and that was with my homebrewed, relatively mild recoiling loads (158 grain RNLs over 4.0 grains of W231). She loves her 681 with .38 +P though, finding the recoil quite mild, and she finds it just tolerable with .357s. That's why I though all-steel J-Frames, Tauris, or SP101s with bobbed/enclosed/shrouded hammers would be worth her looking into.

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If she still decides to go the ankle carry route, does anyone have any suggestions as far as holsters? What about belly bands?
 
Add grips with a covered backstrap like the Pachmayr compac to the j-frame. They will give her much more control and recoil reduction compared to the boot grips that come standard on the j-frames. She also might want to look at other 380s like the Sig 232. It has a larger grip than the Kel-tec or Ruger 380.
 
How about a 3913 LadySmith? Or a 3914 if she prefers a darker finish. Very accurate 9mm, single stack, easy to grip.
If a revolver is a must, then a 640 or 649 in a fannypack would get my vote, in .38 spcl., not .357. Or maybe a model 60LS...
 
You gentlemen are loading the little lady down with too much iron. I think she might be able to handle the 642 if you put lighter loads in it,i.e. Federal 125 gr. Nyclad hps or perhaps Buffalo Bore's 158 gr. lhp. Both of these loads are standard pressure.

Remember, it's one thing to have a heavy gun in a closet and quite another to carry one on the body (especially if you are a small woman).

Bill
 
You gentlemen are loading the little lady down with too much iron. I think she might be able to handle the 642 if you put lighter loads in it,i.e. Federal 125 gr. Nyclad hps or perhaps Buffalo Bore's 158 gr. lhp. Both of these loads are standard pressure.

Remember, it's one thing to have a heavy gun in a closet and quite another to carry one on the body (especially if you are a small woman).

Bill
 
Well in wanting a revolver have you looked at any of the .327's? I ankle carry (I spend a lot of time at a desk, easier to get to that way) and carrying much more than a 1.5 lbs is a really pain. If she is recoil sensitive but wants magnum power, a .327 should be considered. Most of the popular J-frame revolvers are chambered in .327 now (S&W, Taurus, Ruger, Charter, etc), and in some of the models you get 6 cylinders instead of the .357/.38's 5.

If she is going to ankle carry she needs to ask inside sock or outside. If its inside, one of the sheepskin lined holsters is a must.
 
Ruger LCR

Sounds like she would be a perfect fit for a Ruger LCR. Lightweight, compact, snag free. With the standard Hogue Tamer grips much more comfy to shoot than the Smith airweights. :)
 
The light weight J-frames are for carry and emergency use, not for a nice day at the range. If she is willing to get one gun to carry and one gun for practice, then a light weight for ankle carry and a steel one for the range and maybe the purse.

Galco makes an ankle holster, though it may not fit a petite ankle.
 
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