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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2541133,00.html

Jaywalking don hit by full force of the law

A distinguished British historian who tried to cross a road in Atlanta, Georgia, has complained of being wrestled to the ground, pinioned by five police officers and incarcerated.

Felipe Fernández-Armesto, 56, visiting Professor of Global Environmental History at Queen Mary, University of London, was attending the conference of the American Historical Association last Thursday when he was caught jaywalking.

“I’m a mass of contusions and grazes,” he said in an interview shown on the website YouTube (scroll down the page to view it).

“I come from a country where you can cross the road where you like,” he said. “It hadn’t occurred to me that I wasn’t allowed to cross the road between the two main conference venues.”

He was not the only historian so to offend. A policeman called Kevin Leonpacher led a crackdown on the scholars, cautioning several before confronting the British professor, whose work has been compared to that of the 18th-century greats Gibbon and Montesquieu.

“I didn’t appreciate the gravity of the offence,” he said. “And I didn’t recognise him as a policeman. He was wearing . . . a bomber jacket, like a jerkin.”

The officer asked the professor for identification. The professor asked the officer for identification( :eek: ). Officer Leonpacher then told him that he was under arrest and, according to the professor, subjected him to “terrible, terrible violence”.

He said: “This young man kicked my legs from under me, wrenched me round, pinned me to the ground, wrenched my arms behind my back, handcuffed me.” As he bridled at this treatment, Officer Leonpacher called for help and soon “I had five burly policemen pinioning me to the ground”.

His colleagues were astonished. It was “like he was Osama bin Laden or something”, said Lisa Kazmier, a historian from Philadelphia.

The professor had hoped to spend the afternoon listening to his fellows discoursing on arcane topics. Instead, he was handcuffed to another suspect in a “filthy paddywagon” and fingerprinted in a detention centre, where his peppermints were confiscated. His bail was set at £720 and he remained behind bars for eight hours. When he told a judge his side of the story in court the next morning the case was dropped.

Officer Leonpacher was unrepentant, saying: “He chose to ignore a uniformed officer. At what point can anyone say I overreacted?”

The professor’s wife, Lesley, told The Times yesterday: “I suppose it’s lucky he wasn’t shot.”

The professor said that, as an “ageing member of the bourgeoisie”, he found it all educational — and was now seen by many of his colleagues “as a combination of Rambo, because it took five cops to pin me to the ground, and Perry Mason, because my eloquence before a judge obtained my immediate release”.
 
lol Welcome to America.

SDPD has been cracking down on Jaywalking in the downtown area. It often leads to arrests and beatdowns when out-of-towners challenge the cops over what they see as a petty infraction.
 
It is always safer to beat up middle aged professors for supposed infractions of some arcane rule rather than go after actual violent criminals.
 
ilbob said:
It is always safer to beat up middle aged professors for supposed infractions of some arcane rule rather than go after actual violent criminals.

They are just following the NYPD's example of not letting the "little fish" (jay walking) get away with petty crimes. That way the "big fish" (littering, loitering, etc...) don't a chance to take hold.
 
ilbob said:
It is always safer to beat up middle aged professors for supposed infractions of some arcane rule rather than go after actual violent criminals.
That's what chickens__t bullies do -- prey on those weaker than themselves.

Of course, when there's a real threat -- like at Columbine, or during the LA Riots -- these "brave heroes in blue" will generally cower or run away.

BTW: Police who beat citizens without justification deserve to receive vigilante justice at the barrel of a gun.
 
The officer asked the professor for identification. The professor asked the officer for identification.

Sounds like a reasonable request on the part of the Professor. There are plenty of weirdos out there masquerading as police officers, you don't have to be a foreigner to doubt the identity of someone posing as one.

If the Police Officer has simply shown his identification instead of this overreaction things would have gone much easier for all involved. However, it appears that this cop had a chip on his shoulder and saw this request as some sort of assault on his "authority" ("How dare you question me you miserable cockroach".) and had to reassert his ego. I hope that the Professor brings a case against the department and the officer.
 
Ah, an answer to the age-old question "why did the professor cross the road?"

The professor said that, as an “ageing member of the bourgeoisie”, he found it all educational — and was now seen by many of his colleagues “as a combination of Rambo, because it took five cops to pin me to the ground, and Perry Mason, because my eloquence before a judge obtained my immediate release”.
 
the war on Tourism will continue till these tourists are wiped out!

:D I'm sorry, I doubt anybody could add anything better to the conversation than that.
 
Haven't y'all heard? Jaywalking is a "gateway" crime. If they didn't beat this guy down now, pretty soon he would be stealing and murdering.
 
I lived in Atlanta for years and years, and jaywalking was universally ignored by the officers. I thought you could only get busted for that in LA, or someplace like that where they actually enforce all of their crazy laws.

That said, I've never jaywalked unless quite sure it's physically impossible for any car to get close to hitting me before I cross the street, and mostly not, anyway.

If some crazy cage driver knocks me flying through the air with busted bones and squashed guts, I want to be in a good legal position to sue him.

So, I reckon getting knocked down by policemen ain't as hurtful as getting run over by a car, but it does seem more rude and insultful.
 
BTW: Police who beat citizens without justification deserve to receive vigilante justice at the barrel of a gun.

No. They deserve to be hounded out of the LE field and charged criminally for their behavior. But, alas, not a very likely scenario. No doubt this too will be investigated thoroughly and determined to be completely justified.

I wish I had more faith in the system, but events have made me realize the system just does not work anymore at dealing with cops gone bad.
 
This is what happens when the 2nd Amendment is watered down. English types feel free to just show up and walk all over our American customs.

Patrick Henry would have done the same thing.

:evil:

Officer Leonpacher was unrepentant, saying: “He chose to ignore a uniformed officer. At what point can anyone say I overreacted?”

That would be, Officer Leonpacher, the point at which you used (what appears to be from the article) excessive force in subduing and arresting a non-violent, non-resisting, misdemenant.

I can just HEAR this guy sputtering "But, but... you have to do what I say, I'm the police!" while stomping his feet in frustration.
 
I smell a rat.

If he didn't have something to hide, why wouldn't he walk to the corner and cross at the light?

There's more going on here than meets the eye.... :scrutiny:
 
Tallpine: We should invade England - a reputed hotbed of jaywalking.

Better to wrestle them to the pavement over there than over here.

Happened in Atlanta dude, Made the same mistake mysellf earlyer.
 
What's missing is that the cop had probable cause to suspect something bigger.

The "Don" (coincidence? fear the Brittanic Mafia!) had a dryer sheet sticking out from his back pocket and was carrying a cup that clearly contained coffee grinds.
 
Ahh yes, yet another one-sided description of what happened.

Besides, a "Professor of Global Environmental History" sounds like someone who deserves to be beaten down. You can bet he isn't espousing capitalism or rolling back regulations on cars and employers.
 
I'm surprised nobody has yet zeroed in on this telling peice of information:
Instead, he was handcuffed to another suspect in a “filthy paddywagon” and fingerprinted in a detention centre, where his peppermints were confiscated.
If this event happened exactly as described, sorry Mr. Policeman, but you were wrong. Now, if they did, indeed, happen exactly as described, does the UK public really get that much more upset about having peppermints confiscated?? I wonder if they gave the mints back when he was released. They never said in the article.
 
Wow, the cop bashers wasted no time here basing their opinion on a one sided piece of crap article. Lets point out the obvious....

1. The man was not arrested for jaywalking, he was arrested for disturbing the peace. Stop saying he was arrested for jay walking when that is simply not true.

2. The man was not beaten, and anyone here saying that he was is a liar. He was taken into custody, and resited arrest. Period. Sux to be him, but by his own admission he had his UK drivers liscense on his person and he should have shown it.

3. The Officer in question was wearing his uniform. His jacket was marked APD with all the patches and whatnot. The man is a liar for claiming he didnt know he was talking to a cop.

All the cop bashing is getting rather boring.

Edited to add pic of the arrest. The Officer in the rear being touched on the shoulder is the Officer in question. How the hell do you not know that he is a cop?

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Norm357, you KNOW that Office Leonpacher's buddies are probably giving him a harder time in the squad room than most are here. It's kinda funny in a sad way. Two gentlemen, each an authority figure of sorts exchanging "Who're you?s", then the old "I SAY!" whilst he's being hogtied...

Comeon. That's some funny stuff based on the article's information.

As far as the OP and thread title, since we weren't there, it IS possible that the dear professor might have walked into the path of a careening auto. I watched the Absent Minded Professor when I was a kid, and took several classes from a couple who'd fit that bill in my collegiate days of yore.

But some of the comments were quite top notch. Others... well, there's always the others. Damned if ya do damned if ya don't.

edited to add... Norm, he said he mistook the uniform for a "Jerkin" (ROFL). And here I thought that was a pickle (snicker)
 
I like how the British paper specifies they were "gun cops". I know they know we don't HAVE "non-gun" cops over here.

Norm,

Where do you see he "resisted arrest"? Is jaywalking more than just a ticketable infraction in Atlanta? If not, wait for him to cross, write him the ticket and tell him to "go and sin no more".

If it is more than a citation, it's still just a penny-ante misdemeanor in the end. A little less "I'm the boss" attitude from an officer and the whole problem goes away. The citation gets written, the professor has a story to tell at home about dumb laws in the US and the cop doesn't come off appearing to be overly officious.

Given the violator wasn't committing a violent crime, asking to see an officer's ID is hardly out of line, especially for a non-native, nor is it "resisting arrest" nor is it "disturbing the peace". If I know I haven't done anything really "wrong" (vice committing a pissant infraction) I'd be a little inclined to get upset about being taken to the ground for (in the end) not using a crosswalk too.

Why bother with the drama? Play Officer Friendly, show the ID you're given by your agency for just that purpose, write the ticket and go on with your life.
 
in all seriousness, i believe there might actually be another side to this story. go read the story on the George Mason U's History News Network website. that professor, and all the others that were apparently harassed for jaywalking that day were attending a convention, the primary purpose of which was to make a collective statement against the president's policy in iraq, and more generally against 'the war'. they were 'offended' that the president has never consulted historians, especially in regard to his middle east policy. has anyone here ever taken a college level history class? i was a history major, and thankfully had a couple of responsible historians for teachers....most were overpaid crybabies who were adversely affected by spending their days being worshipped by brown-nosed undergrads. one can only imagine the heights of delusion to which thousands of such people might climb when gathered together for a collective ego-stroke. i have strong opinions about college professors if that wasn't clear.

i would in no way put petty, symbolic feats of civil disobedience by most of these guys, as perhaps some misplaced rage against the man manifested itself as dangerous and obnoxious pedestrian activities.

in any event, here's a link to the HNN's take on it, and on their convention, just in case you needed a good puke. notice the debate over university speech codes, a synopsis of which is included in the second link.

http://hnn.us/articles/33409.html#articles

http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/33802.html
 
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