Monkeybear
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Excellent post Red, welcome to THR
About HK?
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Why not ask the local shop to give you a deal? Be honest with them about what you can get online and then maybe offer him $700-$720 for it so you're still paying him a little more then you could get from CDNN?
I think the biggest pro for HK's is the trigger system. 9 different variants including DA/SA with cocked & locked option which not many other makers offer.
I think the biggest pro for HK's is the trigger system. 9 different variants including DA/SA with cocked & locked option which not many other makers offer.
Why are HK’s so expensive?
DISCLAIMER: I am not about to bash, make fun of or degrade any other manufacturers.
Ok here we go. First, I’m going to shock a lot of folks by saying that they are not. I work in finance and if you do a little past/ present vale calculation, you will find that a USP costs, in relative terms, the same as a pre WWII 1911.
Next people say well, there are other guns with the same level of reliability as HK at two to three hundred bucks less, namely Glocks. To this I say yes that is true. HK and Glock both have an excellent reputation for reliability. But comparing these two guns on price is like comparing apples and cumquats. There are few, if any, pistols that do what a HK USP v1 does. Shall we review?
Polymer frame
Large cap mag
DA/SA
Cocked and locked
Decocker
More options = more engineering= more parts= more human (mostly skilled) labor= higher consumer price.
It’s just like the car with power everything and a convertable roof costs more than the stripped coupe.
But why am I personally willing to pay the premium for an HK and recommend them to friends and family, aside for reasons stated above, that is?
.0001. That is a small number, right? That is the rate of failure for my USP45. One failure in about 9000 rounds, and that was a ruptured case from a bad lot of Wolf ammo. So technically, my gun has never had a mechanical failure. If I used better ammo the number above would probably be 0.
DISCLAIMER: I am not about to bash, make fun of or degrade any other manufacturers.
Ok here we go. First, I’m going to shock a lot of folks by saying that they are not. I work in finance and if you do a little past/ present vale calculation, you will find that a USP costs, in relative terms, the same as a pre WWII 1911.
Next people say well, there are other guns with the same level of reliability as HK at two to three hundred bucks less, namely Glocks. To this I say yes that is true. HK and Glock both have an excellent reputation for reliability. But comparing these two guns on price is like comparing apples and cumquats. There are few, if any, pistols that do what a HK USP v1 does. Shall we review?
Polymer frame
Large cap mag
DA/SA
Cocked and locked
Decocker
More options = more engineering= more parts= more human (mostly skilled) labor= higher consumer price.
It’s just like the car with power everything and a convertable roof costs more than the stripped coupe.
But why am I personally willing to pay the premium for an HK and recommend them to friends and family, aside for reasons stated above, that is?
.0001. That is a small number, right? That is the rate of failure for my USP45. One failure in about 9000 rounds, and that was a ruptured case from a bad lot of Wolf ammo. So technically, my gun has never had a mechanical failure. If I used better ammo the number above would probably be 0.
armedpolak
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My H&K P2000 .40 S&W
It never jammed. It fits in my hand like a perfect size boobie It shoots great. It's the most accurate handgun I have (or so I think). I paid $870 for mine, so not cheap, but worth every penny.
AP
It never jammed. It fits in my hand like a perfect size boobie
It shoots great. It's the most accurate handgun I have (or so I think). I paid $870 for mine, so not cheap, but worth every penny.AP
Frankly, I think HK churns out a good product. The only failure I've experienced with the ones I've owned/own now (USPf 9mm, USPc .45, P2k, P7M8) was with the P7M8 - I bought it in a consignment sale, 86' date code, and likely hadn't had anything but user maintenance for 20 years. It's in the shop getting a new extractor now, but that's not unreasonable after 2 decades of ownership/use.
For the record, my Berettas (5 total in the last few years) never had any failures of their own, and niether has my 870 or my Tikka bolt rifle. In the "boat done sank 'for it left the dock" category, I had a SIG 229 go kaput right out of the box. Ya'll are right to say that expensive is a relative term, but I would also contend that products of that quality attract repeat customers and buyers from the word of mouth of HK owners - just as my next pistols will likely be HK or Beretta, I'll continue to avoid 1911's and SIGS based on past experiences. Doesn't mean the latter two are bad brands/models, just that being stung once means at the price they're sold they won't be getting my dollars, but HK will continue to reap an occasional paycheck from me as long as I keep having good experiences with their products.
For the record, my Berettas (5 total in the last few years) never had any failures of their own, and niether has my 870 or my Tikka bolt rifle. In the "boat done sank 'for it left the dock" category, I had a SIG 229 go kaput right out of the box. Ya'll are right to say that expensive is a relative term, but I would also contend that products of that quality attract repeat customers and buyers from the word of mouth of HK owners - just as my next pistols will likely be HK or Beretta, I'll continue to avoid 1911's and SIGS based on past experiences. Doesn't mean the latter two are bad brands/models, just that being stung once means at the price they're sold they won't be getting my dollars, but HK will continue to reap an occasional paycheck from me as long as I keep having good experiences with their products.
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Thanks PSY and DOG. I feel alot better about my next purchase. It just seems like there are no real complaints about them, unless you count "get a Glock" as a complaint
Ill ask for a deal, see what happens. I have always been a little fustrated by the fact that the only two gunstores that treat people right around here, Gander and Carter's, seem to have a "no haggle" policy. If they make a deal with me, then they will have found a new regular customer.
Ill ask for a deal, see what happens. I have always been a little fustrated by the fact that the only two gunstores that treat people right around here, Gander and Carter's, seem to have a "no haggle" policy. If they make a deal with me, then they will have found a new regular customer.
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Between my HK-UPS and SA-XD, I have a slight preference for the XD. It fits my hand better and I hit the target just a tad bit better with the XD. That being said, my USP45 is my primary CCW. I grew up with 1911s, and I like the side safety, the decocker and the single/double action for CCW. I *almost* traded the UPS45 away one day, but I realized that I would be kicking myself from here til the end of time (this was before I got the CCW). Expensive? Yes. Worth it? It was to me.
To me, it was worth it for my USPc and P2K. The little things that set it apart from the lesser costing handguns makes it worth it. Same thing about the Sig P series. When you realize how the gun feels, the trigger smoothness, the overall ergonomics and the tighter tolerances, you'll love it.
Sure, a Toyota Camry works but we sometimes want something a little fancier like a Maxima or something like that.
Sure, a Toyota Camry works but we sometimes want something a little fancier like a Maxima or something like that.
I have a USP 40. I like it enough, but wont use it to defend my life, given other choices.
The problem that I have is a trigger timing problem in SA. In SA mode, if the trigger pull timeing is right, the trigger acts as a decocker instead of firing. My guess is that there is a slop between the trigger and the hammer blocker thingamagik.
It does not happen all the time, but happen often enough and is reproducible.
Yeah, I know.. they have great customer service. One of this day, I'll send it in for repair.
-Pat
The problem that I have is a trigger timing problem in SA. In SA mode, if the trigger pull timeing is right, the trigger acts as a decocker instead of firing. My guess is that there is a slop between the trigger and the hammer blocker thingamagik.
It does not happen all the time, but happen often enough and is reproducible.
Yeah, I know.. they have great customer service.
One of this day, I'll send it in for repair.-Pat
pbhome71
This may sound dumb, but...Pay close attention to your support hand next time you shoot. While teaching a friend of mine to shoot my USP, he was pressing the decocker once and a while with his support hand as he pressed the trigger. I know that it seams far fetched, but I saw him do it several times. After I told him what he was doing, he adjusted his grip and then all was right in the world.
Sounds weird, I know.
This may sound dumb, but...Pay close attention to your support hand next time you shoot. While teaching a friend of mine to shoot my USP, he was pressing the decocker once and a while with his support hand as he pressed the trigger. I know that it seams far fetched, but I saw him do it several times. After I told him what he was doing, he adjusted his grip and then all was right in the world.
Sounds weird, I know.
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