DC CIRCUIT COURT STRIKES DOWN GUN LAW ON 2A GROUNDS

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We think the Second Amendment was similarly structured. The prefatory language announcing the desirability of a wellregulated militia—even bearing in mind the breadth of the concept of a militia—is narrower than the guarantee of an individual right to keep and bear arms. The Amendment does not protect “the right of militiamen to keep and bear arms,” but rather “the right of the people.” The operative clause, properly read, protects the ownership and use of weaponry beyond that needed to preserve the state militias. Again, we point out that if the competent drafters of the Second Amendment had meant the right to be limited to the protection of state militias, it is hard to imagine that they would have chosen the language they did. [red]We therefore take it as an expression of the drafters’ view that the people possessed a natural right to keep and bear arms, and that the preservation of the militia was the right’s most salient political benefit—and thus the most appropriate to express in a political document.[/red]

There is some really good stuff in the decision. Definitely worth a FULL read. It addresses pretty much everything. "Individual Right". Full stop.
 
So, what is the legal effect of this, at this time? Can a D.C. resident (supposing he could find a dealer) buy a handgun today? Can he "bear" that handgun today? Or is the ruling stayed pending possible appeals?
 
I'm reading this decision

and they've slammed the door on EVERY collectivist argument.

I don't see that SCOTUS will overturn this. It's solid and consistent and brutally detailed.

Now, if we can got SCOTUS to concur, and not simply let it stand...
 
No comment on this from How Appealing?

But [the dissenting opinion's] other main point is that the majority's assertion [...] constitutes nothing more than dicta because the Second Amendment's protections, whatever they entail, do not extend to the District of Columbia, because it is not a State.
 
One authority cited by the District has attempted to equate
“keep” with “keep up,” a term that had been used in phrases
such as “keep up a standing army” or, as in the Articles of
Confederation, “every state shall keep up a well regulated and
disciplined militia . . . .” See Wills, supra, at 66. The argument
that “keep” as used in “the right of the people to keep . . . Arms”
shares a military meaning with “keep up” as used in “every state
shall keep up a well regulated militia” mocks usage, syntax, and
common sense. Such outlandish views are likely advanced
because the plain meaning of “keep” strikes a mortal blow to the
collective right theory.
(Emphasis mine)

:D

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But [the dissenting opinion's] other main point is that the majority's assertion [...] constitutes nothing more than dicta because the Second Amendment's protections, whatever they entail, do not extend to the District of Columbia, because it is not a State.

I'm not a lawyer or legal scholar, but that just sounds crazy. You don't get constitutional rights if you are within the boundaries of the U.S., but not within the boundaries of a state?
 
Does the right to keep and bear arms also include ammunition as part of the "arms"? I seem to recall that its a felony in DC if you're caught with ammo and not an LEO or exempted? :uhoh:
 
Well, the two who inked the decision should be part of our pantheon of saints, along with Justice Alex Kozinski, of the Ninth Circuit. :)
 
Nevermind, someone hit the New Thread button instead of Reply :)rolleyes: :D) and already asked about whether the 2A applies to DC.
 
We also note that at least three current members (and one
former member) of the Supreme Court have read “bear Arms”
in the Second Amendment to have meaning beyond mere
soldiering: “Surely a most familiar meaning [of ‘carries a
firearm’] is, as the Constitution’s Second Amendment (‘keep
and bear Arms’) and Black’s Law Dictionary . . . indicate:
‘wear, bear, or carry . . . upon the person or in the clothing or in
a pocket, for the purpose . . . of being armed and ready for
offensive or defensive action in a case of conflict with another
person.” Muscarello v. United States, 524 U.S. 125, 143 (1998)
(Ginsburg, J., dissenting, joined by Rehnquist, C.J., Scalia, J.,
and Souter, J.) (emphasis in original). Based on the foregoing,
we think the operative clause includes a private meaning for
“bear Arms.”

Very interesting. This was a very well researched and documented decision by the majority.
 
I'm not a lawyer or legal scholar, but that just sounds crazy. You don't get constitutional rights if you are within the boundaries of the U.S., but not within the boundaries of a state?

Obviously false, because civilians on military bases retain their civil rights, except in controlled areas.

Ditto for US consulates.

Ditto for US overseas territories.

As was noted in the decision.
 
Laurence Silberman

Appointed by Reagan - Thank you gipper! RIP - I am sure you are laughing in Heaven right now!

Has a background that reads like a constitutionalist's wet dream. Prior service Army too Hoah!

trivia: Read the secret Hoover files and said 'It was the worst experience of my entire government life'

This guy should have been a Supreme a long time ago....
 
Well, the two who inked the decision should be part of our pantheon of saints, along with Justice Alex Kozinski, of the Ninth Circuit. :)

Senior Circuit Judge Silberman, and
Circuit Judge Griffith

DISSENTING

Circuit Judge Henderson

I just hope that all the people that say the Bush Administration and the Republicans have never done anything for 2A Rights are man enoiugh to come and say they were wrong.
 
Wow ...

This decision contains some of the better arguments that have been made for years regarding the Second Amendment. Nearly every significant point that folks have argued here is brought up with applicable legal citation.

I'm absolutely stunned as I read through this.
 
I just saw it on MSNBC..I'm shocked beyond belief. :what: Amazing, just amazing..now the lambs have a say on exactly WHO is to be had for dinner..:D
 
geekWithA.45
What is best in life? Conan knows!
"To crush our enemies, to see them driven before us, and to hear the lamentation of DiFi, Boxer, Schumer, Sarah Brady, Ted Kennedy, and all the rest of their toxic ilk.

Dude, I aren't you supposed to be in a meeting!!! :scrutiny: :neener:

Kevin still hasn't picked it up neither has David Hardy....
 
I, and others, may owe the NRA's counsel an apology.

Their initial presentation before the courts looked bumbling and half-educated.

But I'm wondering if that was to lull the opposition into a false sense of security before opening the can of Whoop Ass.:evil:
 
Two quick questions:

#1, does this potentially flush Miller down the same pipe as Plessy v. Ferguson? And would SCOTUS have to do so in order to find for the individual right interpretation?

#2, Did the NRA originally try and prevent this case from hitting the docket? And if I remember right, what was their reasoning?
 
To summarize, we conclude that the Second Amendment
protects an individual right to keep and bear arms. That right
existed prior to the formation of the new government under the
Constitution and was premised on the private use of arms for
activities such as hunting and self-defense, the latter being
understood as resistance to either private lawlessness or the
depredations of a tyrannical government (or a threat from
abroad). In addition, the right to keep and bear arms had the
important and salutary civic purpose of helping to preserve the
citizen militia. The civic purpose was also a political expedient
for the Federalists in the First Congress as it served, in part, to
placate their Antifederalist opponents. The individual right
facilitated militia service by ensuring that citizens would not be
barred from keeping the arms they would need when called forth
for militia duty. Despite the importance of the Second
Amendment’s civic purpose, however, the activities it protects
are not limited to militia service, nor is an individual’s
enjoyment of the right contingent upon his or her continued or
intermittent enrollment in the militia.
 
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