NY State says "No Kids at Gun Shows"

I don't have a problem with requiring a parent, guardian or chaperon to accompany a minor to these events, but barring them altogether is just stupid.

These people really have it in their minds that gun shows just hand out firearms to anyone who can walk, crawl, or stumble through the door.

I am also offended the way they refer to teenagers who would want to be at a gun show as "troubled".

Do you NY'ers think this has a chance of passing?

Interesting.

The definition of a "feel good" bill.

Someone under 18 is not allowed to buy a gun anyway, so it makes little difference whether someone under 18 can go to the gun show.

He/she can look at pictures of guns, play videogames, etc. Surely a gun show isn't the only place in the world where a "troubled teen" would become aware of the existence of guns.

Many such events -- not just gun shows -- already have their own "under 18 not admitted without parent" rule, since they don't really care to deal with a bunch of kids who won't buy anything, but might try to steal things.

On the one hand, these sorts of things piss me off.

On the other hand, if THIS is the worst they've got, I'm glad.

Gun control is something which is accepted more with younger people and they are the future voters.
So banning them from guns shows and shops and telling them in schools that all guns are bad, in a 10 years we have voter who never seen a gun and believe guns are bad.

One other nice side effect is, that all FFL who run their business out of their house and have children are unable to do so.
Every gun owner in NY should write to their congress men and senator.
Who would that be in NY???

In the Littleton Colorado high school shootings, authorities
believe that the firearms used by the students involved were acquired at
a gun show.

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Making it illegal for anyone under the age of eighteen to attend
such an event will eliminate one means by which our youngsters are able
to acquire firearms.

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The following is from an article regarding civil action against those that supplied the columbine kids their guns .

http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/shooting/0510col3.shtml

Anderson bought a carbine and two shotguns for Harris and Klebold at a gun show because she was 18 and they were 17 at the time.

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She WAS 18 but obviously (now) she was making a straw purchase , which is already illegal .

Our troubled teenagers
have little difficulty obtaining firearms and often purchase them at gun
shows.

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That's odd .

All firearm exhibitors must conduct a national instant criminal background check prior to all firearm sales or transfers, including sales or transfers of rifles or shotguns at a gun show.

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New york State law

Federal law prohibits firearms dealers from selling or delivering a shotgun or rifle, or
ammunition for a shotgun or rifle, to any person the dealer knows or has reasonable cause
to believe is under the age of 18.5 Federal law provides no age limitations with respect to
the sale of a long gun or long gun ammunition by an unlicensed person.
Dealers are prohibited from selling or delivering other firearms (e.g., handguns) or
ammunition for those firearms to any person the dealer knows or has reasonable cause to
believe is under the age of 21.6 Unlicensed persons may not sell, deliver or otherwise
transfer a handgun or handgun ammunition to any person the transferor knows or has
reasonable cause to believe is under the age of 18.7 Exceptions are provided for
temporary transfers made for specified activities, including employment, ranching,
farming, target practice and hunting.8

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Federal law


So this bill will do ???????


Nothing. "Kids" can't buy guns at gun shows as it is . Another waste of taxpayer money .

Oh, I think that making it harder for teenagers to get close to a gun will have every possible effect EXCEPT making them not want guns.

Or did I grow up on another planet or something?

Insane. I esp. agree with ArmedBear's analysis; reminds me yet again of my all-time favorite PSA billboard, along Rt. 40 going through Knoxville, TN: it says (no joke, and in big cartoon letters) "Hey Kids -- Don't Start Smoking!"

Are the people who propose such things mindless? Or cynical, and know that all they need to have is the approval of the mindless?

How about gun magazines (the paper kind) -- do those also "send the wrong message to kids"? (Answer, sadly, is that many of them send *many different kinds* of wrong messages -- but not segregated by age group )

timothy

Screw new york. They'r after me evil black rifles!
When I was 14 back in like 1996 I would walk 3 or 4 miles to go the Roanoke (VA) gun shows. I wouldn't ride my bike because I didn't want it to get stolen.
Here is the shocker: I was never able to buy a gun !

it just never ceases to amaze me the outright lies these people will tell in order tu further their agenda. As has already been pointed out, there is no "gunsow loophole" in ny--there has to be a NICS check, you have to fill out the federal form--EVERYTHING is the same at a gunshow! If anything, I would guess kids or criminals would be LESS likely to go to a gunshow looking to buy a gun, as there are always a gazillion cops hanging around these days, and more likely to be officials hanging around making sure everything is being done by the book. Hell, I am even more hesitant to buy at a gunshow because if they are busy there could be a delay on the NICS check going through, and then you'd be stuck having to have a firearm shipped from some dealer if it's far away or making a special trip to pick it up later, whereas if it's at the local guy and for some reason there is a delay (has never happened to me personally, but I have known people who bought one for a christmas present or something then had to wait days for i to go through and make a special trip to pick it up) all you have to do is stop back another day.

Hopefully there is an especially hot place in hell for baldfaced liars...

While it's stupid legislation, any gun show that bars anyone under 18 (or even, say, 16) with or without a parent will have my gratitude and business.

I've left shows early because I get so tired of trying to look at guns through a crowd of children or trying to weave around people trying to corral their stroller and three other spawn in the middle of an aisle.

I really, really don't like children.

I like taking my kid (9) to the occasional gun show... He also like going with me to Cabela's and browsing the open aisles where the antique rifles & milsurps are...

I think of it as an educational outing...

edit: I don't see many kids at texas gun shows... (san antonio)

"Kids" can't buy guns at gun shows as it is .

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I believe someone under the age of 18 can buy a long gun from someone other than a dealer at a gunshow and not be in violation of federal law. Applicable state law may vary.

By the same logic then could then move forward and Ban children form gun ranges, and ban all boy scout, 4h club and other youth shooting programs.

The slippery slope is quite visible in this case.

I don't think you're even allowed to do a private sale to someone under 18

I believe someone under the age of 18 can buy a long gun from someone other than a dealer at a gunshow and not be in violation of federal law. Applicable state law may vary.

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If they are selling at a gun show in NY , which is where we are talking about , then no , they cannot buy from someone other than a "dealer" within the gun show .

All firearm exhibitors must conduct a national instant criminal background check prior to all firearm sales or transfers, including sales or transfers of rifles or shotguns at a gun show.

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Government run amuck. This is absolutely ridiculous. I don't know what else to say.

I am also offended the way they refer to teenagers who would want to be at a gun show as "troubled".

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AMEN. They can suck it. Not high road, I know, but what they're saying is equivalent to saying that all blacks smoke crack. It's prejudicial, and worse yet, the prejudice is conducted by a taxpayer funded government that is a part of these United States. This is an outrage, and it is slander.

Man, no pop in schools, no more than one person in the car for new drivers, tracking devices in teens' cars, no cell phones in schools (kids just MIGHT be making a drug deal. MIGHT), no hats at school (MIGHT show gang affiliation), no talk of firearms in school (even though talking about how you got faded or how you nailed a girl at a party is a- okay), and now this.

Being a kid today sucks; I don't care how many iPods my generation has or how new our cars are compared to the ones you baby boomers had when you were kids. It's simply a material opiate to dull the effect of disappearing liberties.

ArmedBear: Today, 03:49 PM

Oh, I think that making it harder for teenagers to get close to a gun will have every possible effect EXCEPT making them not want guns.

Or did I grow up on another planet or something?

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You are absolutely right, it's like their mom telling them to stay away from the cookie jar... It's just human nature to want something we aren't allowed to have.

So, does the law prevent the kids at all, or just unsupervised?

No gun hows I have ever been to allow anyone under 18 without an adult, anyways.

Do you NY'ers think this has a chance of passing?

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Absolutely. It's NY.

in the 30s you could buy a gun from a gas station, in my town.

mass murders in school ALL THE TIME! oh... nevermind ... tht was with revolvers and 'hunting rifles', obviously not evil.

Many such events -- not just gun shows -- already have their own "under 18 not admitted without parent" rule, since they don't really care to deal with a bunch of kids who won't buy anything, but might try to steal things.

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Very true. But even if they are there with parents, the parents need to act responsibly. Last weekend I was at our local gun show and there were kids running through the aisles in-between walking adults without as much as an "excuse me." Quite a few of us were looking for the idiotic parents that were letting their little incorrigables run roughshod over the rest of the show. I voiced my opinion to the security guard on the way out. Something will probably change in the next few shows as I "wasn't the only one complaining."

I used to enjoy taking vacations to New York. That was quite a few years ago.