1911 firing under water test

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geezes, I just thought it was interesting--i don't personally have any plans to fire any of my guns underwater

it's great the glock fired so many times underwater. maybe the water actually helped support the unsupported chamber you are always hearing about blowing up when it's NOT underwater...
 
Actually, there IS a valid Military reason to shoot a pistol underwater.

In Water Survival Qualification, they talked quite a bit about shooting the 1911 underwater to defend from maurading sharks.

Being that the Marine Corps is an Aquatic Service, it HAS happened that a ship is sunk in Shark Infested waters and the survivors are at the mercy of the toothy ones.

Knowing that you can pop one in the head from a few feet and keep your legs (or more!) from being a tasty morsel seemed important to me at the time.

Imagine yourself in the ocean holding onto a piece of floating debris while the fins are circling. Having a pistol in hand would give you a fighting chance at survival. Not a trivial question in the least.
 
Not having seen the video of the 1911 nor the Glock being fired underwater but having spent a lot of time underwater myself, I wonder what discharging a conventional weapon underwater would do to your eardrums. Would you even be able to take a second shot?
 
The water test is probably reasonably valid for testing the limits of reliability.

Water in the barrel dramatically increases chamber pressure. Water around the gun slows down the slide velocity a lot. It's not that dissimilar to shooting out-of-spec ammunition while the gun is very dirty, or something is dragging against the slide.
 
Not having seen the video of the 1911 nor the Glock being fired underwater but having spent a lot of time underwater myself, I wonder what discharging a conventional weapon underwater would do to your eardrums. Would you even be able to take a second shot?

I have fired hundreds of rounds underwater from "bangstick" type devices. It's more of a thud than a bang. I guess the cooling effect of the water acts to cool the propellant gasses.
 
Speaking from personal experience I can tell you that a 1911 chambered in 45acp will function underwater. There was no noticable effect on my ears, in fact the only thing I felt was a very gentle push much like a someone pushing water at you. The problem as far as it's tactical value is that the bullet only travels about 8-10 feet, losing all of it's energy very quickly. It's does however cause hollowpoints to expand very nicely.
 
Interesting, Bob. I read recently that the report of a gun fired underwater is roughly 4x louder than when fired in open air. Were you wearing any kind of ear protection?
 
Speaking from personal experience I can tell you that a 1911 chambered in 45acp will function underwater. There was no noticable effect on my ears, in fact the only thing I felt was a very gentle push much like a someone pushing water at you.

Was your head above or below the water when you took the shot?
 
ya, almost any explosion underwarer and your gunna feel it in your ears. dont matter if its a .22 or a 50 cal.
 
I would have to agree, head up, not so loud. Head under, very loud. Have you ever dropped a very small object on the opposite of the pool and heard it drop with clarity. Its seems to be amplified.
 
Um not to spoil the fun you guys are having but, Didn’t Mythbusters do this sort of test on a few different gun and concluded that firing a gun under water with the barrel still full of air will cause a major malfunction like exploding the barrel, and with the gun completely full of water it would fire but only travel a few feet and with no power to penetrate after only a few inches? I could be wrong but I do remember the show just not the exact outcome
 
Sounds like you would be using the .45 against
sharks as a bang-stick--contact range weapon--
if bullet travel is only a few feet.

If a single shot 12ga bang-stick is effective, a
.45 at least allows the possiblity of follow-up
booms.
 
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Solids and liquids conduct sound better than air. You can put your ear to a railroad rail and hear a train long before you can see or hear it otherwise...please remember to remove your head from the rail before the train arrives. Water will conduct sound better than air. Whales can hear each other's songs from leagues away. Whether that translates to a gunshot being "louder" I don't know.
 
I fail to see how this test is relevant to anything. Anyways... the guy in that youtube video with the Glock is an idiot. I know I'm not taking the high road here, but it was completely unsafe.
 
Shooting under water.

Back in the 1980s a gun magazine ( I think it was Guns & Ammo) did a test with a Randall .45 shooting under water. I may be wrong, but I recollect author was Craig Bodington. An interesting article, but one can speculate on the possibilities of shooting under water.

Mr. Bodington wrote a gun test in Guns & Ammo on the then new Randalls, one in right and one in left hand versions. I still have that magazine somewhere.

Okay chaps, those of you that know how, go to your library and search the stacks.
 
Um not to spoil the fun you guys are having but, Didn’t Mythbusters do this sort of test on a few different gun and concluded that firing a gun under water with the barrel still full of air will cause a major malfunction like exploding the barrel, and with the gun completely full of water it would fire but only travel a few feet and with no power to penetrate after only a few inches?

actually, during this test if I'm remembering right the one guy commented that the bullet had gone at least 15 feet--that was one of the things they were surprised about
 
Say one bad thing about people's guns and people get so defensive.

Instead of posting, "***, this test is stupid. I'll never need to use the gun in water. Pfffft"

How about we try to find out why the Glock functioned fine with 33 rounds and the 1911 failed after 3 rounds. Knowing your gun can run fine underwater is one of those things that is not necessary, but good to know, you know.

The guy with the glock waited for the gun to soak all the water. Did the 1911 fire with air in the gun?

Did the glock have hollowpoints? Would hollowpoints expand while still in the barrel of the gun
 
Hollowpoints can't expand while in the barrel of the gun. What causes hollowpoints to expand is something called "stagnation pressure." Stagnation pressure is the measure of the pressure of a flowing medium if that medium were to be suddenly stopped. For instance, if an airplane was flying at 200 mph, there is a spot on the tip of the nose where the fast-moving air (moving relative to the plane) comes to a complete stop (on either side of this point, the air is moving along the surface). At this point, the pressure is much higher than elsewhere on the plane - this pressure is the "stagnation pressure" which is actually more a measure of the energy of the flow expressed in pressure units.

The point of this is that a hollowpoint expands when the stagnation pressure inside the cavity is higher than the pressure outside the cavity - the pressure "explodes" the tip outwards. When the bullet is in the barrel, the entire column of water in the barrel is moving with the bullet - there is no pressure difference between the water in the cavity and the water just outside the cavity (but still in the barrel). Therefore, the JHP will not expand until it leaves the barrel, and passes through relatively still water.

And as to the relevance of the test - I agree that it is kind of a "worst case scenario" in which the slide is retarded, an overpressure round is fired, etc. It can be used to gauge the "robustness" of the design - robustness meaning the ability of the device to function correctly in a wide range of conditions.
 
You never worked in LEO or the military have you?
Can you cite a single example of a LEO needing to fire his weapon under water? Some of the "tests" that people dreams up for guns are so pointless.
 
An LEO gets in a struggle with a badguy before the LEO can grab his own gun. They struggle and fall into a swimming pool. The badguy is so strong that he has the LEO's head underwater.

The LEO is very happy to know his Glock can function just fine underwater. The badguy is dead. The LEO is a hero.
 
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