Recognizing Security Personel

Not knowing your laws, (open carry is not legal, but it is OK for security guards, even if off duty?), I would hazard a guess this individual was not working at the time. Either that or he should be terminated for goofing offwhile being the supersecret mall ninja. OR, this is an idiot who figures he can open carry with that E-Bay "Security" t-shirt, and nobody will question him as long as he has cuffs visible to. No requirement for badge/ID in sight?
Here in AZ, nobody would give him a second look, open carry is legal as church on whatever day of the week you wish.

Why didn't you call 911 ?

AFS

Open carry unlawful?

Really???

I've never read it as a "law" that it's illegal to carry open in NY nor can I find this written law now. Please show it to me.

I do remember back over a quarter century ago when I got my NY permit to carry, it was explained (in safety class) that although not illegal to carry open, it was frowned upon and discouraged because the sight of open carry could make some people feel uncomfortable (scared / call the police). So, going with the out of sight, out of mind train of thought would be the better course.

Read this Bob, gives you some general insight as to the gray area lol:
http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/nys-ccw.html

As to the original subject. If he was indeed security, mall whatever and not a Law Enforcement official, his attire would be entirely dependant on the company he's employed with. I've seen corporate (blazers white shirt tie) I've seen miliraty uniforms (Unless you look closely at the patch you'd swear he was a state trooper) I've seen buisiness casual (polo shirt and slacks) and I've seen non-marked (Usually in department stores, they dress with clothes off the racks to blend in)

Chances are if I was in the company he was working for and was open carrying I'd want a little more visibility as far as the uniform, identifying who/what I am but again, it's part of the managements choice, there is really no regulated or mandated uniform. I've made it a point to stress to security companies however, that if you are going with an armed presence the military style of uniform is your best bet for both ease of recognition and Law Enforcement's ease of Identification.

As far as him in the store reading, if he didn't work for the store and was employed by the mall, I'd raise a concern, but the guy could have been on his lunch break. On his way home from work and not employed with the mall, yeah shouldn't have had it open like that

My city police department wears gray t-shirts with badges printed on them and shorts. Del City, OK. And you're right, in an extreme situation, I could see them getting shot in "self defense".

Did his shirt look like this?



You can get one too at http://www.cafepress.com/georgiacarry

I see no reason to mess with a guy just because he happens to have a sidearm, and is reading a magazine in a store.

What he might do - and what YOU should do - under some unspecified conditions is only speculative. Don't resent the man for having a gun.

Jay_Anderson said:

Read this Bob, gives you some general insight as to the gray area lol:
http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/nys-ccw.html

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Unreal. Things very well may have changed over the years.

My class was conducted by local LEOs at the time and I do remember well what we were told "back then".

I also carried a number of different (hunting) handguns open for many years during big game season while hunting and going to and from. Even while talking to NYS game LEOs without them even batting an eyelash about it.

It may depend a great deal on the place and circumstance of the carry.

Here's a decent summary from the New York State Rifle and Pistol Club:

http://www.nysrpa.org/nygunlaws.htm

Handguns: A license is needed to possess a handgun in one's home or place of business. Application is made to the "licensing officer" of the city or county where the applicant resides, is principally employed or where his principal place of business as a merchant or store keeper is located. (The licensing officer in New York City and Nassau County is the Police Commissioner; in Suffolk County, the Police Commissioner or Sheriff; elsewhere in the state, a county judge or some other designated judge or justice.)

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The licensing officer may, in his discretion, add restrictions to the license, limiting the places where the handgun may be kept or carried. No demonstration of "need" to possess is required to obtain an "on premises only" license valid for one's home or place of business, although "need" may be required for a license not restricted to one of those locations. An "on premises only" license authorizes the possession of a handgun only at the location written on the license. It does not authorize the holder to take such handgun to any other place.

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A few years back, I was at the St. Louis galleria... There was a fellow wearing a duty rig, and a uniform without any identification - just the pants and shirt.

That set off all sorts of clangy things in my personal alarm system. Mall said he was an off duty cop... But they got a little disturbed when I told them that ANYONE could buy a uniform, and then strut around...

Ater the hurricanes of 2005, almost all of South Florida was without electricity. A few gas stations had backup generators to run the pumps. I ran for over a week on my stores, then had to go fill up. The guy in line in front of me was wearing Topsiders, tan corduroy shorts, a sky-blue T-shirt with "DEA" on the front in bold Navy blue, and a G-17 on an inch-wide belt. AFAIK, you're not allowed to openly carry a firearm in Florida unless you're working, and in uniform, but nobody questioned this jamoke.

security personell

well it is hard to know but most large cities have a open carry for armed guards, you will see with them that again most of them have a photo id that is displayed usually off thier collar. now i do know what it is like in denver for that is where i was an armed guard and know that you must jump thru thier hoops to get the armed guard liscense. now having this allows you to open carry your work weapon when displaying your liscense, it is possible for just an ordinary person to get this also but it is rare.
needless to say all you gotta do is ask your local police department about open carry and armed guards and they will be happy to tell you what the requirments are. and if you happen to see someone who is not complying then call the police and tell them as they are probably just a wannabe and are actually dangerous.

Just don't do that in a state where open carry is perfectly legal as it should be...

How about a t-shirt that says:

Why didn't you call 911 ?

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Is there a particular reason why he should have? Sounds like a man carrying a gun going peaceably about his business. No problem there.

Is there a particular reason why he should have? Sounds like a man carrying a gun going peaceably about his business. No problem there.

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Because the individual was either an official security guard, or someone who was pretending to be one. The later of which should be scrutinized by actual law enforcement officers.

For some time I have been playing with the thought of starting my own security business to facilitate my open carrying in Florida. Have yet to do much serious research on the matter, but do have some prior knowlege on FL armed security laws having worked for Wakenhut. In Florida licensed armed security gaurds can openly carry to, from, and on the property they are assigned to. They are restricted to certain calibers but as far as I know have no real uniform restrictions. Many of the smaller security guard companies here have black or tan pants and the company T-shirt or polo shirt as the standard uniform. From the sounds of it this was probably just a security guard on his way home or killing time on his break, no need to call the police in my opinion.

TallPine said:

How about a t-shirt that says:



I Am
My Own Damn
SECURITY

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See Post number 7 of this thread!

Dragon Fire,
That one fits me. The agency I work for does not allow me to use my uniform while doing of duty jobs. Normally, the only thing that may show to the front when I'm working is my badge on my belt, and of course my weapon and cuffs on each side.
In the summer, I wear cut off jeans and a shirt that names the company I am working for on the front. In the winter the only change is long pants.
There are times I will read a paper on duty when I am watching and listening to something that is going on.
If you have a question about a certain person, walk up to that person and ask them. I get it all the time and don't mind it a bit because if you are concerned, I know that someone is watching out for my family members welfare if they are there. I'm also a deterrent while I'm sitting there but I will say it is amazing what I have seen happen right in front of me.
Thanks for asking. Your question may help another reader to "sort out" a situation later on down the line.

stranger ranger, wanna be cop. the more dangerous brother of the mall ninja

USMC - Retired you must been a spotter to read what that print says. Can you post it?

www.despair.com

Lucky,
Go to this link and you can see it much better.

http://www.cafepress.com/georgiacarry.149194520

except that I don't have java enabled for just any old website ...