high priced 1911s

Gotta get me one of them Nighthawks one day!

I hear people say, what's that, an Ed Brown, how can you carry a $2K gun? I say, why wouldn't I want to carry my best? After all, it's only my life on the line...

For the price of an accurate, reliable 1911, I could easily buy a Sig P220 CPO and enough ammo to practice with to be as accurate as my pistol. And I wouldn't have to worry about breaking some little part and having to have a new one custom fitted by a 'smith to maintain the accuracy and prestige of a high end 1911.

Not saying it's WRONG to buy a high end 1911... it's just not my bag. If it's YOUR bag, knock yourself out, have a great time. Me 'n my Sig P220 will be busy making small cloverleaf shaped holes in paper plates while you are running back and forth to the 'smith.

And when the frame on your CPO cracks, me 'n my GHC G17 will still be ringing the 100 yd. gong. Just sayin'.

I luvs me my 1.5" Supertac, btw.

To answer the questions posted by Harley Quinn to me.

What are you saying here Is this group (pistol) held in a vice? Shoulder stock go with it

Shoulder stocks would require an NFA license and while I know I could get it, the $200 would irritate me, so I don't go for the shoulder stocks. No the guns are not held in a vice, just handheld and fired off the bench.

Are they really that accurate to be able to put them in a group of about 1.50 inch at 50 yds?

Yes, actually my personal best is about 1.2" for a group at 50 yards, but I freely admit and have stated many times that that is exceptionally hard to do. I usually choke at about round 5.

Sig 210

If you don't know what the sig 210 series is, this whole tread is probably useless to you. Do a search please.

How many awards have you won for shooting?

Back in the day (about 20 years ago now) when I competed, I was reasonable at PPC and did a bit of bullseye. I have a few awards from PPC but nothing more then regional stuff. Bullseye, I never got good at. It took more mental skill then I possessed back then(?). I was much better at rifle and competed a lot with Air Rifle, Small Bore and Service Rifle.

You are the one who will shoot hot loads in the 1911, but not in the Glock?
Ever shoot any 400 Corbon?

My glock had a problem that the frame flexed. This was something that I could not overcome and sold the gun after I invested a great deal in mags, barrels and sights into it. While the gun was accurate, I did not like the frame flex so I sold it. Yes I shoot hot loads in my 1911's but mostly I would use a Witness. A far better gun to push the limits of 10mm. Today since the witness is gone also, nuclear loads are reserved for the 610. And no, I have never shot a 400 corbon. Given my 10mm loads, I could never see the point. Now 38 Casull, that is one I am interested in!

Nighthawk uses investment cast frames and thumb and grip safeties. For the money they are asking, I would get a gun milled out of forgings or bar stock.

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What is your source for this info? My NH has NO MIM (I Know it's not the same as investment cast). To the best of my knowledge, I do not know of anyone who makes a bar stock grip safety. Cast it fine for that part. Also, investment casting works just fine for Caspian. Heck, when they made bar stock frames cracking was an issue that the cast frames did not have. Same with Baer.

Nighthawk uses investment cast frames and thumb and grip safeties. For the money they are asking, I would get a gun milled out of forgings or bar stock.

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What is your source for this info? My NH has NO MIM (I Know it's not the same as investment cast). To the best of my knowledge, I do not know of anyone who makes a bar stock grip safety. Cast it fine for that part. Also, investment casting works just fine for Caspian. Heck, when they made bar stock frames cracking was an issue that the cast frames did not have. Same with Baer.

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My source is for this information the manufacturer's claims readily available online.

There are many makers of M1911 controls machined out of forgings or bar stock. Pistol Dynamics makes a forged grip safety. For my build I would use an older Colt part.

My glock had a problem that the frame flexed. This was something that I could not overcome and sold the gun after I invested a great deal in mags, barrels and sights into it. While the gun was accurate, I did not like the frame flex so I sold it. Yes I shoot hot loads in my 1911's but mostly I would use a Witness. A far better gun to push the limits of 10mm. Today since the witness is gone also, nuclear loads are reserved for the 610. And no, I have never shot a 400 corbon. Given my 10mm loads, I could never see the point. Now 38 Casull, that is one I am interested in!

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Thanks for the answer's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_P210

HQ

The only cast part that NH mentions on their website is the frame on the Vickers model (a Caspian frame which he specified). NH grip safeties are forged. Ed Brown thumb safeties (which Liebenberg uses) are cast and work just fine.

"All our parts are milled from bar stock except for the thumb safety and the beavertail, which are investment cast," Gholson told GUNS. "The thumb safety is ours, and we use a Smith & Alexander beavertail. The slides and frames are by Caspian. The frame is currently investment cast, but we plan to go to milled steel. We don't use any MIM parts. We build the guns of the finest components and we offer a lifetime guarantee."

From an email I received today from NH...

"Rich,

The Vickers guns are cast

All of our Nighthawk pistols are made from forgings and we use all forged parts unless someone requests something else which happens because we are a custom shop and will build to the customer’s request.

I can tell you from expierence that the parts made from castings that we have installed into customer guns are excellent parts and I wouldn’t hesitate to have one on my pistol.

Thanks
Tim Lehr

Nighthawk Custom"

Guess if I had found this site a while back I never would have purchased my 5" Kimber Raptor II. I have over 700 .230gr .45 rds of multiple bloodlines through it now with not 1 issue. I have run 200+ of .22 lr through the conversion kit .. again no issues. I don't carry it....yet ..... but it isn't stored in some hermetically sealed display case either.

All of our Nighthawk pistols are made from forgings and we use all forged parts unless someone requests something else which happens because we are a custom shop and will build to the customer’s request.

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I would love to learn of a source for newly made forged M1911 triggers.

NH grip safeties are forged.

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The chances of that being correct are very slim.

Lunde, that is one of the most handsome 1911s I have ever seen.

I can't understand why there aren't "barstock" thumb safeties and beavertails being made by more vendors.

Price would probably be double, but I'd bet alot of people would buy them...needed or not!

My baby...

This is my first handgun. I bought it LNIB about 5 or 6 years ago for $650 from a coworker. I started to shoot it only twice a year after it stared making cloverleafs at 25 yds. with Federal match ammo. I don't want the collet to break.

I added the Wilson drop-in grip safety and the STI hammer.








This isn't worth as much, but is another example of JMB's genius and pre-WWII Colt perfection.

Other 1911 Street Gun.

Hi Just another Brand 1911 Street Gun - Randell SS It Shoots Well.


It just does not get any better.

lunde,

Those bare slide Ed Brown's are without question, the best looking 1911's in existence. Your's is absolutely beautiful.

Can bare slides be purchased somewhere? All I need are the fine-line, slant cut rear serrations.

I'm sure any of the custom makers could see to your request, as well as Caspian supplying one if you just want to buy the slide. I've seen Baer's over at 1911forum with bare slides with just rear searations. A heavyweight monolith comes to mind. It's just phenominal.

Any Wilson owners here?

For as many years as I have been in love with 1911's Wilson Combat 1911's have been far and away HI-$, unless I want to go down the street to King's Gun Works and have them build me a ground up.

Can anyone here say from experience what $2300 gets me? Is it all paper groupings or is there some Combat in there too?

Something that has bothered me for 20 years, ty.

-RFB

I just bought a Les Baer Concept II. I'm in CA so I'm still waiting for the ten-day waiting period to end, but I have high hopes for it. I dry fired it in the shop a few times and it puts my Kimber's trigger to shame.

Geo.Az:

How effective is that porting?

Doc2005

I just bought a Les Baer Concept II. I'm in CA so I'm still waiting for the ten-day waiting period to end, but I have high hopes for it. I dry fired it in the shop a few times and it puts my Kimber's trigger to shame.

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I'm quite certain you will be very happy with it. Just make sure when you go to field strip it that the slide is out of battery a half an inch or so.