need help aiming with glock 27

How Do You Shoot with Other guns?

At first I thought your pic was a joke. IF..... the glock is the only gun you shoot that badly, I'd have a friend shoot it, If he's that bad I'd be ringing up Glock and asking for an exchange. I have a G27, it is THE single most accurate gun I have ever owned out of the box.

A big part of shooting the Glock accurately is trigger technique; with some pistols you can get away with jumping on the trigger, but the Glock requires you to keep the sights aligned all the way through the squeeze, and keeping a consistent follow-through when the shot fires. It looks to me like you're "jerking" the trigger (possibly with a flinch) more than anything else, and just hoping the rounds go where you want them to go.

Everyone should learn to shoot with a good .22 pistol, IMO.

That having been said, if you're shooting a G27 as your first handgun, you definitely need qualified instruction.

There's very little difference in recoil between a .40 and a .45, IMO.

Get a competent shooter to instruct you.

Does the your Glock have the same sights as the one you Googled? I like 3 dot sights like those and have not problem shooting well with them. However, I can't group with the standard Glock sights at all. I have been shooting handguns for over 25 years would certainly not recommended a .40 as a first handgun. Rent a .22 or buy a conversion unit for your Glock so you can practise with the trigger you will be squeezing even when shooting .22. Finally, Practise, Practise, Practise. Start slow and close and work on smooth and increasing your distance. Smooth = Speed.

maybe i just plain suck.. i will be honest here, it's my first time shooting a hand gun.. i've shot rifles/shot guns before and i'm better at those..

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1. A centerfire auto, especially a Glock, wouldn't be my choice for a FIRST handgun. It's almost always better to start out on a .22, like a Ruger MkII or a Browning Buckmark. That allows you to learn the fundamentals without having to overcome recoil and noise at the same time. Have you had some kind of training? If not and you can afford it, I highly recommend that you take the NRA Basic Pistol course. If you can't afford a course or there isn't one available near you, go here AMU Manual and read thoroughly. Read it regardless. It unfortunately does not cover the specifics of the Glock trigger. It does however have everything else you need to know and more.

2. How carefully have you looked at that picture of the Glock sights, and did you really understand what you were looking at? Notice that the front sight was in focus and the rear was not. That is exactly correct. When you aim at the target, your front sight should be in sharp focus. The rear sight AND the target should be OUT of focus. If you are looking at the target instead of the front sight, you will throw shots all over the target.

3. As I said above, shooting the Glock is an acquired skill, one over and above basic shooting. I like Glocks. I have two of them. But the Glock trigger is very different from that of most other guns and requires practice to understand and shoot well. That's probably going to take a lot of dry firing without ammunition to achieve. ALWAYS make sure that your firearm is unloaded before dry firing. Frequently check it WHILE you're dry firing.

Like I said, find some training. You've picked what's not going to be the easiest first pistol you could have, although it's a good firearm once you learn how to use it.

'sigh'... i guess shooting a hang gun is harder than expected..... i'm gonna head out to the range again sometime this week. The guy at the range told me to check my sights and he'll show me how to do that next time or something..

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No, shooting THAT handgun is harder than you expected. That doesn't mean that you won't be able to learn. Learning the fundamentals on a .22 is easier and builds confidence. Everything other than the specifics of the trigger pull apply exactly on a Ruger MkII as they do on a Glock, and even that is generally the same. Squeeze the trigger straight to the rear in such a way that you don't move the sights from your point of aim. It's only the how that's different.

What you've done is the equivalent of learning to drive in a car with manual steering and a manual transmission that requires you to double clutch. There's no reason why you can't learn. It's just going to be different and a little bit harder than driving a Buick LeSabre. It's still driving.

Listen and learn...listen and learn. If you get the opportunity, take a basic Handgun class...lastly be patient.

The only way to learn how to shoot is to first, get some competent instruction, and second, practice a lot.

The best thing you can do is to find a local instructor and get some one-on-one instruction in the basics - grip, stance, sight picture, trigger control, and recoil management.

- Chris

Don't know how others here feel about using a sandbag rest but I would try it. This will help you line up the sights and see if you can hit the target in the same place twice. Try aiming at the exact center of the target and try several shots, slowly I might add, taking time to aim exactly the same each time.

BTW, I have a Glock 27 and it will out shoot my Glock 17, practice is all that will fix the problem. Also I will drop a link to how to correctly grip your Glock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvJzFdcYSag

Hope this helps.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=909805&highlight=Glock+sight+picture

Check out this link also, post #3 has a chart that may or may not help you figure out what is going on.

Couple of points:

1) get a 22. Easier to learn the funamentals and about 60% cheaper.

2) make sure the font sight post is in focus. It didn't click for my wife until I said:
"focus on the front sight like you are trying to read words off of it." It should be completely in focus.

20 feet you could take the sights off the gun. If you didn't index on the target correctly you might hit off center but they would all be in the same place if you did everything else right. Pull the trigger without moving the sights. That's the fundamental. Dryfire until you can do that. Get a .22 and instruction. In the meantime, don't jerk the trigger.

Lots of good advice, just don't get frustrated and give up!

Looking back I probably should have gotten a .22 for my first handgun (a 9mm M&P). I was a terrible shot, all over the target. But I kept going back, and after a few trips I had grown used to the recoil, noise, and trigger pull, as well as gotten over the initial "I'm shooting a hand gun!" feeling. While I'm not the greatest shot out there, I'm good enough to feel good about my shooting, and getting better all the time. Just keep going back, keep practicing, get help from those around you with more experience, and have fun no matter how you do!

Remember: never, never, never give up!

"maybe i just plain suck"

Ya, you probably do. But then so did everybody else the first time they picked up a handgun.

Stance, grip, sight picture, trigger control. ALL have to be working right to get the results you want.

You couldn't jump in a car w/o having ever driven one and headed out onto the freeway, what makes you think you can do the same with a handgun?

Find yourself some -professional- instruction. If you can, head out to Front Sight in Nevada for a few days (You can get cheap coupons for first timers for the 2 day or 4 day defensive hangun. You will NOT regret the time spent there.)

Also, you can get a 22lr conversion for that Glock, and shoot a lot cheaper! I love mine ... shot the CCW course here with it.

Dry fire practice. You can practice at home, with no ammo. 95% of what you need to do you can practice with out having anything go BANG!

Also .... start closer to the target. (as in like 10 feet) If you are learning for self defense ... most of the shootings take place at UNDER that range. Not a bad confidence builder either.

IMHO. Your mileage may vary. No warranty expressed or implied.

Since you’re a noob, check the thread below for some helpful hints and do some dry fire practice (make sure the gun is unloaded 3 times!).
I suspect trigger control/flinching is your problem?
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=378581

You can also download the “Wheel of Misfortune” target at the links at the above thread.

Grip and trigger finger placement. With the gun unloaded grasp it and see if it points straight or slightly angled, it should be straight. Adjust your grip so it is straight and just practice picking it up and checking you grasp on it.
Once you have the grip down then (still unloaded) practice trigger pull, I have to put more finger on the trigger than most other handguns. Practice dry firing and watch what the muzzle does, it should not move. Once you have this down then practice resetting the trigger, this is pulling the trigger then slowly releasing until it resets without releasing fully, best done at the range with ammo.
The front sight should be centered on and level with the rear sight. Aim at the center of the target and slowly fire each rounds, checking point of impact after each shot.
It takes studied practice to shoot a handgun accurately.
I hope you have luck in your shooting.

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At first I thought your pic was a joke. IF..... the glock is the only gun you shoot that badly, I'd have a friend shoot it, If he's that bad I'd be ringing up Glock and asking for an exchange. I have a G27, it is THE single most accurate gun I have ever owned out of the box.

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Love my 27! It was my first Glock, and the first couple of times I took it out I hated shooting it, couldn't shoot very well, felt like it was pulverizing my hands, it was awful. After a couple of outings paying very close attention to stance and grip, I started to get it, and now I shoot it as well as any other handgun except my S&W 28.

Get a couple of good instructional pages on stances and grip, and focus on them for every single shot. try not to flinch when you fire, you may not know you are doing it (I don't) but the gun is going to recoil (and a Glock 27 is going to recoil pretty hard) but that's ok, let it happen and just pay attention to the front sight, good trigger squeeze, and keeping a consistent grip/stance.

Practice, practice, practice. The G26/27 are inherently a bit more difficult to shoot than most guns because you're hanging onto the gun with only 2 fingers. You don't realize how important that pinky is to good shooting until it's not there.

Brace your hands on something (benchrest, shooting bag, etc.) and practice until you find a sight picture that works for you and you start shooting better groups. Then try shooting freehand without the help of the brace. Also, stick to shorter distances of 20ft or less until you get better.

maybe i just plain suck.. i will be honest here, it's my first time shooting a hand gun

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Yeah, that's probably the answer, but don't worry! With a little instruction and practice you will get better fast...I just got my first handgun and have taken it to the range three times. I was amazed at how much harder it was to hit something with a handgun than a rifle. The first time out I was shooting even worse than you at 7 yards. I took it out this weekend and put 8 out of 10 shots in a three inch ring at 7 yards. I've still got a long way to go, but so far the improvement has come quickly.

What really helped me was mixing in a snap cap with live rounds in the magazine and noticing what happened when I pulled the trigger on the snap cap. I was pushing the barrel of the gun way down.

I really need to find an instructor, but reading as much as you can about technique and safety here at The High Road will get you well on your way.

I could not hit any thing with my 27 untill I got mag ext will give you a little better control with the .40