Nearly 125 Shot Dead In Chicago Over Summer - About Double The Death Toll In Iraq

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Who's doing all the shooting? And to whom?
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Click the link in the original post. It pulls up a Google map with a bunch of markers on it. In the window on the left has some details about each marker.

Much of it appears to be gang related, and much of it appears to be somewhat random. Lots of the victims are teenagers and most that I remember were in their thirties or younger.
 
There are also only about 200,000 American military and civilian members as opposed to the Chicago population of what 3.5 million+?
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+1.

I also bet more Americian were shot and killed in both of the gun freindly states of Texas and Florida than Amereican service personal killed in Iraq. And this fact is just a meaningless as the one stated in the origianl news story. (At least this news story apparently got the raw number correct, even if they presented them in a meaningless way.)
 
Vermont crime stats

According to this morning's Burlington Free Press, there were 8 homicides in the State of Vermont last year, down from 12 in 2006. Maybe Chicago just needs more cows.
 
I wonder how many were just "random acts of violence" vs. gang/drug turf wars. Not that it matters, I guess.
 
Dang, and I though gun control worked
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It DOES "work". You just need to be specific as to how you define that word.

It "worked" in the Jewish ghettoes of 1940s Europe... until some people in Warsaw started bucking the "system".
 
Vermont crime stats

According to this morning's Burlington Free Press, there were 8 homicides in the State of Vermont last year, down from 12 in 2006. Maybe Chicago just needs more cows.
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I wonder if that is because anybody in Vermont may be armed, no permit needed. Alaska seems to be doing pretty good on the low number of firearm deaths, even though you don't need a permit there either.
 
The comparision is not an accurate one at all.

Chicago has over 2.8 million people, and they suffered ~124 deaths.

There are about 200 thousand soldiers in Iraq and they suffered ~65 deaths.

The death RATE is much higher for soldiers in Iraq than people in Chicago.

The statistic also ignores the number of civilian, police and Iraqi military deaths in iraq, which I suspect is astronomically higher than the deaths of US soldiers.
 
Vermont is a peaceful, rural place with low crime in general, and the lack of "gun control" certainly doesn't hurt. Up until a few years ago it was not illegal to sip on a cold one while you were driving, as long as you didn't go over the blood/alcohol limit. Sadly, that has been changed, making many of the state's residents into gun-owning criminals.
 
Who's doing all the shooting? And to whom?
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89 percent of shooters and 72 percent of victims had prior arrest records.

http://egov.cityofchicago.org/webportal/COCWebPortal/COC_EDITORIAL/June08CrimeStats.pdf

Here's a staggering fact from the above PDF:

"Since January, police have responded to 31,005 calls for shots fired, 17,481 calls for person with a gun, and 16,427 calls for gang disturbances."

Looks like Chicago's gun laws only keep guns out of the safes of the law-abiding, not criminals. No surprise...
 
The Iraqi death toll also does not include Al-Qaida or Iraqi deaths.

Population: The population of Iraq (1997 estimate) is 22,219,289. The estimated overall population density is 51 persons per sq km (131 per sq mi). The density varies markedly, with the largest concentrations in the area of the river systems. The population is 75 percent urban.
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Now if we figure the most fighting and deaths occur in the cities then 75% of 20 million is 15 million.
Figuring a 10 to 1 kill ratio (rather generous) then 65 x 10 = 650 + 65 = 715.

715 per 15 million = 1 per 21,000 Iraq

124 per 2,800,00 = 1 per 22,580 Chicago

Still looks lower in Iraq that in the windy city.

BTW - there are four levels of liars:
Liars, Damn Liars, Statisticians, and Politicians!:cuss::cuss::cuss:


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Not to nitpick, but 1 in 21,000 is slightly higher than 1 in 22,580.

Still, if there are about as many Chicagoans killed by thugs as there are Iraqi militants by US troops... still unbelievable ;)
 
The comparision is not an accurate one at all.

Chicago has over 2.8 million people, and they suffered ~124 deaths.

There are about 200 thousand soldiers in Iraq and they suffered ~65 deaths.

The death RATE is much higher for soldiers in Iraq than people in Chicago.

The statistic also ignores the number of civilian, police and Iraqi military deaths in iraq, which I suspect is astronomically higher than the deaths of US soldiers.
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VERY GOOD BTR!! Add to that the fact that soldiers in Iraq wear body armor and can retaliate with any variety of ordinances from ground or air, are allowed to chase down attackers, are not wholly accountable for bystanders, and also consider the fact that they are fighting insurgents whose deaths are not tabulated. The Chicagoan incidents get double tallies because participants on both sides of the fight, if killed or wounded, are tallied.
 
Um, those are only US deaths in Iraq. If you included all the Iraqi deaths, it wouldn't even be CLOSE. Please, people, some common sense. Otherwise we are just massaging the statistics like the gun grabbers.
 
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