Herter shell holder table??

kansas city <[email protected]>,

He worked at the LC plant and has been collecting Herters and disseminating Herters tools and information for a long time.

I use the two ram Herters press, it requires two shell holders so the shell holders I have in sets also have the case designation stamped on the top of the shell holder, I also have the manuals, some are copies the Herterspecialst sent on request for the price of postage.

I am not much on digging because of the amount of digging required, if he can not help you let me know.

F. Guffey

I have a Lyman Reloading Handbook, #46 from 1982, which has tables in the back which cover the Herters shell holders. Let me know which ones you want X referenced & I can look them up for you.
Steve

In the herters catalogs they have a complete listing for both types Ebay yourself a copy. I have one but no way to post it. There are two pages and two types.

Herters shell-holders, for whatever it is worth:

#1 = 30-06 head size.
#2 = 30-30 head size
#3 = 30-40 Krag
#4 = .22 Hornet
#5 = .222/.223 Head size
#6 = .38/.357
#7 = .45-70, .378 Weath/.460 Weath.
#8 = Most H&H based Belted Mags
#9 = There isn't one, because of 6 confusion?
#11 = .218 Bee, 25-20, 32-20
#15 = .30 Carbine
#18 = Weatherby belted mags
#21 = 6.5x55
#22 = .44 Spl/.44 Mag
#26 = 6.5 Jap/Carcano/.220 Swift/7.65 Belg
#28 = .444 Marlin

That's all I have a listing for.
Don't know about the other missing numbers, or if they ever used them?

rc

The above list from RCModel is pretty much what the Lyman manual I mentioned above lists with the additions of.
#12 348 Winchester
#19 9mm Luger
#23 45 Colt
#24 45 Auto Rim
#25 380 Auto/38ACP
#27 .41 Magnum.
One difference is that the Lyman manual lists #3 for the 303 Br with no listing for the 30-40 krag, they're very similar so take your pick.
Steve

Midway USA sells the RCBS Herters shell holder Adapter Product # 413580 for $ 23.99. If you get the adpter you then can use any of the modern shell holders..

http://www.ch4d.com/ will save money over RCBS


Others complain about the tilt of the Herters, using a RCBS shell holder does not help because of the (slack) loose fit, Lee shell holders have more slack, the slack in the shell holder require the loader to guide cases into the dies. The slack/loose fit between the case and shell holder is a plus when sizing cases for short chambers and when making chamber test cases when reaming a chamber, some continue to claim they do not know where they are when cutting a chamber until they are there, they claim this causes them to make frequent stops to check, after checking they still do not know where they are, they do know a go-gage will not chamber, they do not know by how much so they continue, making frequent stops.

F. Guffey

Hello All

I am new to this forum, But I have a Herters Super 3 reloader I got from my grand father years ago. I now have a 308 I am wanting to reload. I have 308 winchester brass, but I do not have any info on what shell holder is good for this, any help is greatly appreciated.

Have a great & safe day

Michael

Welcome to THR, mikehu1966.

If you reference back to rcmodel's post, the shell holder will be the same as the 30'06, which is the #1, if you have the old Herter's shell holders.
Good luck.


NCsmitty

Get The Adapter

I have a U3 that was used by Columbus on the Mayflower on his voyage to Timbuktoo... It is a solid press, though, and I have a bunch of original holders, but somewhere along the line (Khyber Pass?) I picked up one of the adapters they used to sell in Shotgun News. I typically leave it in since I use the Herter's mostly for 45-70 and a Rockchucker for most rifles & an RL 550 for pistols, 30 carbine, and 5.56. Once I got that adapter, the originals became moot. One very small thing is that it decreases your ram travel about 3/8", so if you're using small base dies and/or case forming, it will decrease your leverage a bit.
"Uncle B.S."

I have the #1 shell holder, but the 308 brass seems loose in it, Not sure if this is a good thing. I may have to invest in an adapter and then get a newer shell holder specifically for the 308. Does that sound correct.

The Herter's #1 is the one you need, but you find one of anything every now & then that's not quite right. I have one that takes all that size brass fine, but having the adapter, I can use any of the several brands of shell holders I have: RCBS, Hornady, Lyman, Lee and no doubt others. Flexibility...

thank you for the reply

I will start with the #1 i have, but also order an adapter, and RCBS#3 shell holder as well

Thanks again for all the replies

Michael

it decreases your ram travel about 3/8", so if you're using small base dies and/or case forming, it will decrease your leverage a bit.

Click to expand...

I'm not understanding this.
True, it adds 3/8" to the length of the ram.
But you have to back the dies out that amount (adjust them to full ram stroke or toggle over) to make up the differance.

So, press leverage remains the same as it always was.
At least it did on mine.

The only thing that actually decreases is the press frame opening, so you might run into problems with very long calibers like the big magnums getting them out of the shell holder without the bullet hitting the top of the frame.

rc

rc,
On mine, the shell holder/adapter inpinged on the bottom of the press at full extension, limiting the travel a bit. As I mentioned, unless you're forming 5.56 out of 460 Weatherby it shouldn't be a problem. Just an observation from when I was making 7x57 out of 30-06 and other unnecessary stuff (now) in my reloading infancy/adolescence

AhHa!! I see clearly now.

I made my own about 1970, and I guess I made it so it didn't hit the press frame.
I assumed the RCBS one would be the same.

rc

This adapter was one sold in Shotgun News in the early 70's - one had a click detent that held the shell holder in place, and the one I got doesn't. You have to watch it that it doesn't slip out of place & get off center. I used to stick a piece of rubber in it to keep it in place. More reason to stick to the Rockchucker, but I can't bring myself to get rid of the oldtimer. Maybe because I are one...

number 18 & 21

Shellholders number 18 & 21 were to use on Herter's brass. I still have some 243 and 7mm Rem mag with Herter's headstamp. Still using some.
The 18 would fit everything the number 8 would fit and the 21 would fit everything the number 1 would fit. Plus the Herters brass.
Their dimensions were just a tad bigger where the lip of the shellholder goes.

Vega tool may have some for sale. I need a number 9 if anyone has one. For a 351 Win SLR.
CC

I have an old Two-Ram Herters that was my Grandfathers. I think its a Model 3? I machined adapters myself to use RCBS shellholders. I don't use it much anymore. Man that thing has loaded a bazzillion rounds.......

I acquired a super 3 Herters recently as my first venture into reloading. I have done a lot of rsch, but am still getting together the basic equipment to actually get started. Can anyone tell me if a Hornady "Lok-N-Load" bushing will thread into the oversized hole in the top of the press. It came with a bushing to take it down to 7/8 x 14 for standard dies. I don't want to buy the Hornady kit until I am confident it will fit. Thanks for your input. Leverfan1

IMO: The Lock & Load kit is a total waste of money.

Once you adjust a set of dies and lock the lock-ring set screws, it takes less the 30 seconds to screw one out & another one in.
And you only need to change dies once between every loading operation.
In short, you might save yourself a total of 1 1/2 minues changing dies while loading 50 or 500 rounds. Just not worth the money to me to have to buy L&L adaptors for all my dies at $8 - $16 bucks a set.

You only have to adjust a new die set once when you buy them unless you use Lee Slip-O-Matic dies without lock rings.

In that case, replace the stupid O-Ring rings with real lock rings, or drill & tap them for set-screws.

rc

Thanks for the info on using the Lok-n-Load kit vs just screwing in the dies after setting up properly and locking the ring on the die. I am just getting started so I am going to be taking it very slow for a while. Thanks again.
Leverfan1