Ruger - anti RKBA????

It is widely quoted of Bill Ruger that "no honest man needs more than 10 rounds" or something to that effect.

That's pretty much it.

http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/papabill.html

Aside from his million dollar donation to the NRA Museum, William B. Ruger, Senior, should be remembered as the man who embraced the investment casting process very early on, and whose Pine Tree is one of the most respected investment casting enterprises in the world, the man who gave us the Mini-14, the 10/22 and the first American-made production firearm chambered in 7.62 X 39mm... and the man who told NBC News' Tom Brokaw that:


* "No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun."

* "I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round magazines or my folding stock."

* "I see nothing wrong with waiting periods."

And, sadly, that too must be part of the Ruger legacy.

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.............And Bill Ruger is dead........

There is hope........

I hope..............

Seems to me that the recently departed Mr. Ruger was reported to have said, "No honest man needs a gun smaller than a canned ham", or something to that effect.

Well I have plenty of 30 round mags for my Mini-14, and I ain't going to throw it away just because Bill Ruger had some stupid anti RKBA ideas.

"No honest man needs to buy a Ruger"

guess im a dishonest man then. as for the rest of you well thats another story...

Look here:

http://web.ask.com/redir?bpg=http:/...tp://freerepublic.com/focus/news/706432/posts

But hey, even some mods here buy S&W and/or Ruger products, so I guess it's OK. They're strangely silent on the issue. Some people love their own desires more than what's good for the whole. I cannot blame them - after all, only a small percentage of the population is actually altruistic. But for those with kids who'll have to live in this country/world, you oughtta care.

And of course, once again, as is obviousl to anyone who's not stretching to try to justify buying from the traitors, it ain't got nuttin' to do with the late Bill Ruger, Sr., any more than the 2A has to do with hunting. The fact that he's deceased and gone is irrelevant. At the time he was acting on behalf of the Company Sturm Ruger, not in an individual capacity - big difference. Therefore, his successors at Sturm Ruger must redress the greivance for their past president's (management's) stupid acts, or pay the price. Write them and let them know that you won't buy their products unless and until they are *instrumental* in actively crusading/lobbying AGAINST the re-enactment of the ban for which they are responsible.

I would imagine that if you search hard enough that you will find almost every firearms manufacturer "guilty" of something that one of us does not like and can truthfully say was "anti-second" in some fashion.

Perhaps this means that none of us should ever buy a firearm, any firearm, again because it would support some anti-second feeling or action.

To paraphrase the Bard, "I come to bury Ruger, not to praise him. The evil that men do lives on after them, the good is oft interred with their bones. So let it be with Mighty Bill Ruger, Sr."

Other nuances. Ruger refuse to make civilian 10 round mags for the Mini-14 now, even though that would be legal.

Ruger has not made a small concealable handgun. Somewhere, can't find, it - they stated that they are not interested in that market. With their technology and pricing, they certainly good make a small 9mm or 40 and have a large market share. I shot a friend's P-89 last week and it was fine. A small gun would sell if in the lower price range.

In fact, Ruger designed a small 22 LR. It was photographed for a Guns and Ammo annual. The story stated that it was not produced as Ruger thought it was too concealable .

Ruger is not a self-defense or RKBA (outside of service or sports) oriented company.

"I would imagine that if you search hard enough that you will find almost every firearms manufacturer "guilty" of something that one of us does not like and can truthfully say was "anti-second" in some fashion."

No, you're wrong. Name one thing any company has done that can hold a candle to actively encouraging our already-morally-and-logically-challenged congresscritters to pass a BAN on certain guns and magazines, directly infringing our 2A rights, and while doing it purporting to represent the gun industry no less. Just admit it; you're rationalizing.

So if a maker of .22 rifles only urged the ban of all guns other than .22s, and this happened, then the chief manager of that company died, you would then just forgive the company and move on happily with your .22s, after all your centerfires and handguns were confiscated? No real difference. You're right, however, that Bill Ruger's evil lives on after him, and that is precisely the point, and why Sturm Ruger must be boycotted - we may never get the rights back that that ol gun-grabbing codger helped to take away. How this fails to infuriate freedom-lovers I just don't get.

At least Ruger didnt "SELL OUT" to "BIG BROTHER"!!!!!!!!!!!!Oh Yes, I forgot S&W apologized for selling out.

No honest man needs a car that can go over 65MPH, either.

Some people love their own desires more than what's good for the whole.

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Yeah, they're called libertarians. Believe Ayn Rand herself said something about there not being any virtue in doing for others.

It knocked me on my tush when I found out too. I'm never buying another Ruger unless the company gets bought by Oleg.

Yeah, because all non-2A absolutists are pure evil...

Ruger "supported" magazine capacity limits and doesn't particularly support CCW (except for the SP101s oops). That makes them evil... If I was a weapon-maker I might lose some sleep about how my tools were being used/misused as well. Ruger's conscience lead him to do things that we don't appreciate, but it doesn't make Ruger evil. It might make him mistaken, but thats a very different beast entirely.

Ruger is definitely a mixed bag but so is every other major manufacturer. S&W had the HUD agreement. Jennings and the like are dangerous crap. Colt and Rohrbaugh are/were into smart gun research. I'm betting the european companies have similar records or worse on gun control legislation on their side of the Atlantic. Nobody is perfect.

Don't buy any guns from anybody - that'll teach em !

...post a thread defending your actions

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Yeah, comin' right up.
Excuse me, who exactly are you?

I feel like such an idiot for trading away all my evil Smith and Wessons for Rugers...... They are all so evil, we need to get a list going of the makers who we are NOT supposed to be boycotting so we won't make the same mistake.

Despite what the deceased Bill Ruger "said", I have a 3rd party 17rd magazine for my incredibly reliable KP95...

Wow - you guys created lotsa work for me.

I'm a patriot, and who the hell are you? I take it by your silence that you have no defense.

Tallpines, what is that supposed to mean?

So Ayn Rand is the end all, be all spokesperson for all issues? Idonthinso.

It's not complicated folks. If you believe in the 2A seriously AND are altruistic OR have kids, you will boycott readily-demonstrable traitors such as Ruger and S&W. As I already said, most people are NOT altruistic, and that's understandable (why should you be?). But if you have kids (who are going to have kids), then you needn't be altruistic, just have a natural inclination to want the best life (and that includes freedom) for your progeny. If you have a brain (check - well, ok, most people here are not dimwits), are informed on the issue (check - now you are), and care about the RKBA more than your own wants and desires, OR have kids (check for most people, but admittedly not all), then you boycott those who actively campaign for the destruction of our gun rights. Once again, no one can point out where I went wrong. Simply admit you're NOT altruistic (understandable, but it still makes you a traitor to the RKBA cause, if you're informed). Or change your behavior. Or explain why giving your hard earned money to a company that seeks to destroy your rights is helping the cause, INSTEAD of one of their competitors who didn't - who stood tall against the bogus suits and legislation - those on our side. It's pretty simple. You've got 3 choices. Go!

Yeah, because all non-2A absolutists are pure evil...

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Ruger "supported" magazine capacity limits

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He didn't just support them, he came up with the idea and pushed for them.