Is it legal for a civ. to carry on military base with ccw permit ?

"quick trip to the US Magistrate", yep, and this will be one po'd Magistrate since he / she will figure you are wasting his time and will probably throw the book at you, since you intrerrupted his docket.

I carry kinda regular to and from Base Housing in Ft. Hood. I don't run around on Post with it though. It is secured, unloaded, in the house.

Some 'rules' don't make much sense. Sidearms don't magically disappear when we drive on USPS or Federal property. Can't put them in the trunk of the vehicle and my 12 volt battery can't power the Klingon Cloaking Device.

What are we going to do with them?...can't carry inside, can't put them in the trunk. Strange.

'Be discrete' is the only reasonable solution that I am aware of. Suggestions appreciated.

salty

Does anyone know what the max penalty is for transporting a gun into a military base?

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Don't know what the Max penalty is, but for starters Whidbey Island NAS used to have a sign that said illegal firearms would be confiscated and destroyed. (NavyLT, is that sign still posted? I haven't been to Whidbey in a number of years.)

Some 'rules' don't make much sense. Sidearms don't magically disappear when we drive on USPS or Federal property. Can't put them in the trunk of the vehicle and my 12 volt battery can't power the Klingon Cloaking Device.

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You can legally park off of the premises. That is perfectly legal.

I carry kinda regular to and from Base Housing in Ft. Hood.

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I assume you live in base housing?
Last time I looked, most bases (not all) allowed private owned weapons (POW's) in on-base housing (not barracks or BOQ) as long as they were registered with the provost or security.
If registered, you should have some paperwork saying so and carrying them on/off base secured in the trunk should be no problem. Depends on the base commander.

This tread is a duplicate
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=482279

Go to the website of what ever installation you are thinking of going to, Somewhere they will have the regs and memos, and in there you will find the commanders orders regarding weapons. Also you will find the number for the Provost Marshall, call the MPs at the Provost Marshall office and I am sure they will explain the applicable regulations.

Just a reminder, they don't need probably cause either to search you or your car.

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1st sign that someone doesn't know anything about search and seizure law / caselaw is when they say "probably cause" instead of "probable cause."

On McChord AFB it goes down like this: You’re in the entry area before the gate from where there is no escape. You cannot back out and you cannot U-turn and leave. A Security forces person will walk out to the road and randomly point to your car and direct you to a spot in front of a garage door. There is a big white van parked there; there’s a powerful X-ray machine inside. You are briefed on what they’re going to do and offered two options; submit to the random inspection and if it goes well, you may continue on with your day, or decline, drive out, and your base privileges are REVOKED for one year.

When you acquiesce to the inspection, they will X-ray the car (with you in it) after which you drive it into the garage. You have to go sit in a small room and wait while they poke around in your car. After 10 or 15 minutes they come and tell you that you’re good to go (hopefully).

Discrete is not an option. If there’s a firearm in the car or on your person, anywhere, it will show up on the x-ray (from what I’ve been told) and you will suffer something (I have no idea what, but if you’re a federal employee it cannot be good). Admittedly, it’s a sort of low-risk Russian roulette, but the consequences can be very bad if you’re caught.

DMF said:

1st sign that someone doesn't know anything about search and seizure law / caselaw is when they say "probably cause" instead of "probable cause."

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Thank you for pointing out my typo. That sort of thing happens when you are regularly distracted by things like taking care of a baby. Perhaps next time you can remember that you are on The High Road and be polite about it, right?

For the record, I am right. Entering onto base is consent to search. They can randomly stop and search anyone that they please. It is a military installation, subject to military law, not civilian law.

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When you acquiesce to the inspection, they will X-ray the car (with you in it) after which you drive it into the garage. You have to go sit in a small room and wait while they poke around in your car. After 10 or 15 minutes they come and tell you that you’re good to go (hopefully).

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Are you joking? Are they too stupid to understand the consequences that can come from that level of xray radiation? Does this apply to people who live on base? Do they force a family to submit to an xray or lose their ability to live there for a year?

Mainsail,

I was really, really, really close to calling B.S. on the xray story. 26 years military and have never hear of let alone seen vehicle xray.

Then I found this:

Chenega Integrated Systems
Job Description

Company Job Title: Armed Security Guard – Part-time (Air Force)
Chenega Job Title: Guard II, Armed (Air Force)
Location: McChord AFB, WA
Reports To: Shift Supervisor
FLSA Status: Regular, Non-Exempt, Service Contract Act

13. Inspections include the use of various government furnished equipment such as mirrors, hand-held/desktop explosive detectors, X-Ray units, under vehicle surveillance systems, and support to the handler of any employed Military Working Dog Team.

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Go Air Force! Wow.

deadin,

No, we do not live on Post. Just visiting. Getting Daughter-in-laws vehicle serviced, trying to tactifully help out, and paying waaay too much for pizza at Chucky Cheese.

Just regular stuff that any grand-parent would do.

salty

1st sign that someone doesn't know anything about search and seizure law / caselaw is when they say "probably cause" instead of "probable cause."

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Just because the other guy mispelled "probable" doesn't mean they need it on the installation. I will say it again and it has nothing do with search and seizure case law it has to do with you are on Federal property and your being there is a consent to search. THE MILITARY DOES NOT NEED PROBABLE CAUSE TO SEARCH YOUR VEHICLE ON A MILITARY INSTALLATION. UPON ENTERING THE INSTALLATION YOU HAVE GIVEN CONSENT TO SEARCH. It is what the signs say posted at every installation I have drove through.

I ask if I could leave mine with the Provost Marshall's office - NO!

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Mainsail,

I was really, really, really close to calling B.S. on the xray story. 26 years military and have never hear of let alone seen vehicle xray.

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I know because I was randomly selected. If it were to happen again while I was on my way to work, I would have demanded the Union Rep drive out to the gate. Also, I'm only relating what I was told by the (active duty) Security Forces people who randomly selected me. Now, how enforceable those claims are I cannot say.

Salty,
I seem to remember that Ft. Hood is one of the firearms friendlier bases I've been on. However, you are still required to register and declare your firearms when coming on post.
Here is an excerpt from Ft. Hoods website:

4. Firearm Registration
Register at the Provost Marshal's Office 287-4001, corner of 58th Street and Battalion Avenue (all guns must be registered including black powder and muzzleloaders)

Do not bring personal firearms on post before registering them
You must declare firearms at gate after registered
All gates open to registered firearms access

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We don't run around on Post concealed. The 'rules' are full of 'Catch 22' clauses that make it dang near impossible to follow them all..

Kinda like a crate with 'This End Up' labels on all six sides.

salty

I've seen the X-ray trucks, they were being used to check 18 wheelers that coming on post, and if I remember correctly the driver was standing behind the little barrier when the light was flashing.

There is a very large sign that says they can search what ever they want on a military base, just like the no trespassing signs on the fences, the ones that say you can be shot.

The only time I havent seen an issue with CCW on a military base is at places like Bragg where a main highway runs through a section of the base. I certainly wouldnt want to be a test case.

US Customs is now equipped with this X-Ray technology, to check trucks, containers and RR cars for drugs.

The only time I havent seen an issue with CCW on a military base is at places like Bragg where a main highway runs through a section of the base. I certainly wouldnt want to be a test case.

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I used to live in Colorado Springs. North of the city is the Air Force Academy. One of the main trails that gets used by joggers and bicyclists who enjoy nature trails runs right through the base. It always amused me when I had to go through all kinds of trouble to take my car onto base (I was the dependent of a retired military father) when I could, perfectly legally, cycle right onto base, no real gate, no security check point, barely a sign letting you know that you were entering the base. I don't seem to remember any signs letting you know that you couldn't carry, although I could be wrong.

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Mainsail,
I was really, really, really close to calling B.S. on the xray story. 26 years military and have never hear of let alone seen vehicle xray.

I know because I was randomly selected. If it were to happen again while I was on my way to work, I would have demanded the Union Rep drive out to the gate. Also, I'm only relating what I was told by the (active duty) Security Forces people who randomly selected me. Now, how enforceable those claims are I cannot say.

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Mainsail is correct. No BS on the xray vehicles. My agency has had 2 of them for over 5 yrs. We use them to xray semis but they can also be used when looking for large quantities of dope hidden in other vehicles. The quality of the view is remarkable and extremely clear. Something like a gun or a hammer in a semi is clearly easy to detect and identify exactly what it is. If a semi has a load of dope in the front of a trailer it will clearly show where the dope is located compared to the other cargo. Great tool. Customs at shipyards have been using them for at least a couple of years prior to us getting ours.