Gun ideas that seem good on paper, but nobody really likes once they come out...

Shooting a Blackhawk or Automag in 30 Carbine will be one of the most deafening experiences of your life.

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But but but...the .30 carbine is well known as the most anemic rifle cartridge ever!!!

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Another is the high-capacity 1911. Seems like it would be nice, but few are made and no one really seems interested in them
Double stack 1911-pattern guns are incredibly popular among practical pistol competitors.

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+1 there!

I'm thinking pistol caliber carbines. There. I said it. Pistol caliber carbines.

I love them... You love them, but in practice, rarely better than a rifle caliber carbine.

Etronix primers....

Remington introduced an electronic ignition system, not too long ago, to eliminate the mechanics and time of the trigger and firing pin. Obviously the gun and primers need to be made for electronic ignition. Never caught on but you can still buy the electronic primers - expensive.

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I was going to mention this also. There is a rifle for sale locally.

Remington 700 Etronx .243 26" Fluted Stainless / Synthetic New Special $999.95 List $1940.00

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All I can say is.......NUTS!

Well GEM the Taurus 9mm is still being produced and actually sells in other countries along with in the U.S. ( I have one and know of several others that at least have a revolver in 9mm.) also the px4 is a nice pistol and is doing well in sales from what i have seen.

as for never catching on how about the gyro rocket pistol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoffTmg9bxU

or the semiautomatic revolver? http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg186-e.htm

those are my two picks.

zoom6zoom said:

"Guns with the magazine inserted on the side or top of the receiver.


Yeah, the Sterling, Sten, Bren and such never caught on.

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Nushif said:

Hey, those worked just fine in WWII!

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Right you are......but there's a reason no builds them today.

that's because they're butt-ugly, and not marketable not because they didn't work...

IIRC, the 9x23 was specifically designed to mirror 9x19 performance while being a different cartridge for civilian use

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9mm Largo (9x21) was designed for that purpose. 9x23 Winchester was designed for IPSC/USPSA open people that were shooting .38 Super. Getting the Super to make power factor meant exceeding SAAMI data for even .38 Super +p, so the 9x23 was designed from the ground up to handle that pressure. Essentially it's just a cut down .223 case, thick case webs and all. The cartridge is designed to use small rifle primers, as well.

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....that's because they're butt-ugly, and not marketable not because they didn't work...

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Original poster said "Gun ideas that seem good on paper, but nobody really likes once they come out...From time to time a new or novel gun or variation comes out, that seems like a good idea, but it never really catches on...."

I'd say that fits.....

Both missed the mark

http://www.wlawarehouse.com/store_front/sterling/sterling-build-service/ you were saying,,,

I guess time will tell, but the .50 GI seems that way to me. I'd love to have one if I could afford it. Same goes for the .45 Winchester Magnum.

.45 agp

volcanic rounds.......nuf said.

I'm thinking pistol caliber carbines. There. I said it. Pistol caliber carbines.

I love them... You love them, but in practice, rarely better than a rifle caliber carbine.

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It's true of course that a rifle caliber carbine is "stronger" than a pistol caliber carbine. However, that doesn't say that they never caught on or that they aren't effective.

Model 92's or 94's in .357 mag, .44 mag, or .45 Colt are some of the handiest 100 yd rifles out there!

Rotary bolt handgun anyone? Aka Colt's All American, 'seemed like a good idea at the time' but never caught, seemed plagued with reliability issues, and just didn't look right.

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Ah, what about the Beretta Px4 and Beretta/Stoeger Cougar?

Rotary bolt handgun anyone?

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Wait...you mean something like this?





Sorry, couldn't resist.



Back to reality.
So what was wrong with the rotary bolt handguns? I've never shot any of them that I'm aware of. Haven't shot the Beretta Px4 or Beretta/Stoeger Cougar. What others were there and why are they not so hot?

I'm glad someone else mentioned the judge before I had to...



1911s with barrels longer than 5 inches.

Also, as much as I respect the company, I'd probably nominate those proprietary NAA guardians in those corbon necked-down calibers; the .380 necked down to .32 and the .32 necked down to .25. I'm sure they've sold only slightly better than liver flavored soda pop, despite looking good on paper...

Love the .30 carbine blackhawk! Closest thing to a flame thrower you can get in a convenient hand gun size package with a report that will make Zeus wince.

I can't believe no one has mentioned the .45 GAP! super lame

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Love the .30 carbine blackhawk! Closest thing to a flame thrower you can get in a convenient hand gun size package with a report that will make Zeus wince.

I can't believe no one has mentioned the .45 GAP! super lame

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That's because we don't talk bad about Glock here.

Oh, I thought of one - the .40 Super

Hi Shadow D,


You'd mentioned -

Oyeboten:
What a terrible malignment of a classic CZ 27, a beautiful pistol way before it's time, not to mention finely machined and WAY overbuilt, I prefer the S&W, never like the damn revolvers anyways.

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You are right!!

Lol...

I really like the old CZs, but have never owned one yet...still hoping to some day.

I got lost though on your S&W reference...can you elaborate?

What about the Remington XP series?


Did they catch on? Or... catch on enough to elude this Thread's intent?


I think they are very cool...never owned or shot one, but, I admire them.


One example here -

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=173313612

Didn't the rocket guns run up against the ATF?

I thought I heard the ATF had an issue for some reason with the ammo or lack of report. Not sure.

As mentioned it's not the gun but the cartridge chambering that is proclaimed to be a wonder wowzer but flatuates into a reloading option only.

Some guns were made just too well and the market could only support them for a little while. Some machined reciever shotguns come to mind.

Bexar

No, if the rocket is larger enough and carries an explosive warhead, then it falls under a destructive device.

Oyeboten, I believe the revolver version of the 'suicide' gun was a S&W, and I never have loved revolvers, just feel of them is off, comes from shooting autos my entire life.

Metal Storm.

Kriss "Super V" submachine gun - especially the semi-auto only 16" barrel version.