Replica gangster shotgun

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I saw a shotgun featured on "History Detectives". A "Western Field" they say may have been used in the St Valentines Day Massacre.
Whether it was or wasn't I thought it was cool enough to make a replica of since these old shotguns are so cheap. I bought this on Gunbroker for $125.
Sawed it off and threw it in a violin case.

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Below are screen shots from the program of the original gun:

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It was a Montgomery Ward "Western Field" shotgun. They were basically the Stevens 520 made my Stevens for Montgomery Ward. They have no real collector value so I didn't think twice about hacking it up. I bet it's actually worth more now in this configuration than the $125 I paid for it.
 
If/when you sell this one day we can all look forward to it being shopped around our local gun shows for $2000 as the weapon that fired the first shot at the St. Valentine's Day massacre ;)

Pretty good job making it look like the real thing!
 
It's not glorifying gangsters, it's remembering our history. When you ignore history, you are bound to repeat it.
 
Thats real cool.
I bought one of those at a pawnshop a while back for $50. The owner had taken out some of the screws and lost them. I ordered new screws and fixed it. It's a real smooth working shotgun. ... Here's mine.
 

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Unless I'm badly mistaken sawing off the stock like that makes possession of that shotgun a federal crime ? The bbl would need to be at least 18" and there is an overall length requirement as well. At least that was the way it was some years ago.
 
You are badly mistaken Jimmy. As oneounce said, 18" bbl and 26" overall. This one is 18 1/2" bbl and 31" overall. So you can rest easy now.
 
The guy on the History Detectives who owned the old gun clearly stated it came to him with a barrel cut too short to be legal.
So he replaced the barrel with a longer one.

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I'd consider shortening the barrel on an old gun like that, but I'd have left the buttstock in place. Shotguns (actually long guns in general) are much more useful with a full stock. If I did have the urge for a pistol grip shotgun, I'd get a Mossberg 500 or something similar where it'd be easy to switch back to a full stock after I (quickly) tired of the pistol grip. Something tells me that restoring that old gun would require more than undoing a screw or two.

RE: Repeating history
I've never bought into the idea that the guns we collect are really preserving history. That old shotgun can't tell us anything about gangsters, not least because it wasn't a gangster gun. If it tells us anything, it tells us that modern people are strongly influenced by what they see on TV. If I put two old guns on a table that are identical except that one was owned by a famous historical figure and the other was owned by some random schlub, and don't tell you anything about either of them, will you be able to sense the "historicity" of the famous guy's gun when you pick it up? Or, will they just be two old guns that are more (or less) interesting because you like (or don't like) old guns?
Bubba comes in for a lot of flak because, so often, when Bubba is done with a gun it isn't as good as it was before he started.
 
I like it... now you need to go to a thrift store and buy old stuffed animals and some toasters...

Run it thru its paces.
 
Oh, and for everbody saying it glorifies gangsters... come on... how many people have Nazi marked stuff, or AK's(Glorifies Communists, Terrorists, and Gangsters?)... a hammer is just a hammer, right?
 
Looks like a fun project, I probably wouldn't have bothered replicating the defects in the wood but it's not my project!

I'd be more inclined to keep the stock original and make a separate pistol grip from scratch or if possible from another broken stock.
 
The two notches on the grip signifies two innocent lives taken?

Who knows what they represent..... maybe just bad handling and storage?
Quite the assumption that it represents innocent lives taken.......
 
Glorifying gangsters. What a waste.
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Better to glorify gangsters than gansta's. Then you have to carry it plaxico style and hold it sideways to shoot it.:D

Very cool project the old gansters had some class and a certain swagger that was distingishing. Crime nontheless but they did it with style. The wannabe's of today can't say much for style or class. However they do have gold teeth and pants that won't stay up.:rolleyes:
 
Ah, where to begin. I didn't think posting this would generate this much controversy. I might have to start hacking these up regularly and selling them. No such thing as bad publicity!

Anyway, like stated above by the gentleman that has one just like mine, I cut mine down to legal length. The barrel is 18 1/4" and the OAL is around 29"
The violin case is a standard old violin case as far as I know. Maybe it's a viola case I don't know for sure. Either way I bought it at a junk shop for $15.
I kept an AK47 underfolder in it before, but the old shotgun looks way more at home.

For the people turned off by this: People that enjoy gangster history and gangster lore like I do like things such as this. It's FUN. Ever heard of an organization called "Zoot Shooters"? It's like Cowboy action shooting for people that like the prohibition era. Maybe there's something wrong with liking double barreled coach guns because outlaws (early "gangsters" really) used them? Anyway, just my 2 cents.

Anyway, anyone else that is interested in this kind of history check out Mario Gomes awesome site on Al Capone and gangster era Chicago:

http://www.myalcaponemuseum.com/
 
The barrel is 18 1/4" and the OAL is around 29"

Whew! I wouldn't be able to sleep tonight knowing that some unknown person out there somewhere had a shotgun just a bit too short for my comfort lol.

Maybe there's something wrong with liking double barreled coach guns because outlaws (early "gangsters" really) used them?

I feel the exact same way about guys who ride Harley Davidson. Why glorify criminal one percenters? J/K

Personally, I thought that was a cool idea and well executed at that. Good job.
 
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