Parking Garage to Work

Demand that the company provide escorts to and from the parking area.

Whats worth more to you, your Job or your life?

1) find another place to park

2) there is a reason they call it "concealed" carry

Make it clear to management that since they are removing your ability to defend yourself, they are assuming liability for that themselves. They have to step up to the plate and provide adequate security if they are going to enforce this rule.

But, as has been said, it's called concealed carry for a reason. If it comes down to a bad situation, do you value your job more than your life?

Make it clear to management that since they are removing your ability to defend yourself, they are assuming liability for that themselves. They have to step up to the plate and provide adequate security if they are going to enforce this rule.

Then they make it clear you have no job. Demands to management??

The gloves are a good idea no matter what decision you make. Personally I would try to find elsewhere to park. I would most likely carry anyway if I was as concerned as you and had allready experienced a few close calls. I would just carry it off person in a messenger bag or something similar and store it while at work.

I don't like off body carry because sooner or later you will forget your carrier. I also agree that making demands of your employer will accomplish nothing but opening a position in their company (the one you used to fill).

You have to do a risk assessment. Are you more likely to need a weapon or be caught w/ one?

If you are caught w/ a weapon the odds are you will be terminated on the spot. How do you intend to explain that to a prospective future employer?

The possibility also exists that your employer may discover that you have a weapon on you (w/out your knowledge) and elect to call the police w/out even questioning you. Are you prepared for that?

If, after considering all of the above, you still choose to carry a firearm at work you have to find a method of absolute concealment and make it a rule that you tell no one under any circumstance whatsoever.

Maybe a Ruger LCP would fit the bill

CTGunner, that is a difficult situation. Would there happen to be a bus stop right in front of the building? If so, could you take public transportation and land you closer to the front door? Also, can you car pool so you would always be walking in and out with others?

I agree with the posters above but if I were in that situation, I would also consider my non-weapon defense capability. How well would you fare in H2H encounter and can you get more training if needed?

How about a heavy LED flashlight that can also be used as a weapon if needed? Keys, pens, umbrella, etc in hand may be useful.

Make it clear to management that since they are removing your ability to defend yourself, they are assuming liability for that themselves. They have to step up to the plate and provide adequate security if they are going to enforce this rule.

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PLEASE....get a grip - walking on a public thoroughfare, they are NOT responsible and they have ZERO liability.

there is a reason they call it "concealed" carry

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I guess you missed his point:

I recently took a job that does not allow any weapons of any kind (including pepper spray etc.) on company property

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Why a half-mile walk? No closer lot? No bus system or cab? Anyone car pool?

H2H is all fine and dandy until the other guy decides to bring a knife or gun to the party, what do you do then?

A throw away wallet with 20-50- bucks in it along with a few fake credit cards might buy you some time, an LCP or better would be nice to have also.

The employer isn't going to give you an escort from your car to the building, who do you think you are, Nancy Pelosi?

Time to look for another job or public transportation to the office door, a taxi or whatever.

Easier to find another job than try to open that coffin from the inside.

If you can't find a way to park or be dropped off closer to work I would put an LCP in my pocket and call it a day. Tell no one you have it, what your employer doesn't know won't hurt them.

Is there anyplace closer to park if you got there, say, 1/2 hour earlier or so?

If workable, the dont-ask-dont-tell Ruger LCP idea sounds good.

If that's definitely too much jeaopardy to job retention, then I'd personally opt for a good cane, like a cold steel city stick, totally plain. "This? I've got this old hip injury from college, and that parking garage is turning out to be farther away than I first thought; why do you ask?"...

Good luck, stay safe and employed.

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there is a reason they call it "concealed" carry

I guess you missed his point:

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One of us for sure did.

1. I like the idea of something that isn't specifically named in the company policy.

2. Provide a low key, non-demanding email to your boss of the situations you encounter. I'd only document one or two when they occur. Do it as a FYI, don't make it sound like you are trying to force their hand. Just say I was accosted by blah-blah-blah and I wish we could get more security. This will document the history somewhat in case something happens in the future.

3. If it was me, I'd carry something. Either something that isn't named (my suggestion above) or pepper spray. Keep it hidden at work. Yes, it is stated as against policy but top heck with policy if you ever had to use it. Easy argument to make if it ever comes to it that pepper spray is a purely defensive item.

i cant carry a weapon at work either( sucks but thats the way it is), however i often require a flash light.......so i carry a large 3 D cell 220 lumen flash light.....not ideal but better than nothing

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there is a reason they call it "concealed" carry

I guess you missed his point:
One of us for sure did

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Yep - like the part his JOB said NO GUNS - to paraphrase the loonies here:

"What part of NO guns don't YOU understand?"

THEIR place, their rules - don't like it - go work somewhere else............really - statements advocating breaking the rules and laws are NOT High Road - twist your tinfoil a little tighter why don't you..........

There are no laws being broken, the rules at work say no guns, so he would be breaking a rule, and if caught likely terminated. I rather be fired than killed. We are saying his life is more important than a job.

It's fairly hard to get a job right now so the suggestion of "get another job" may not be feasible. Some won't go anywhere without carrying. Some people carry when they think they're at higher risk. Some people don't carry at all. It seems like the OP was looking for non-carry defensive options. He's got plenty of food for thought now with those that suggest carrying anyway. I liked the different transportation, walking cane, etc options. And no one said Raid wasp spray yet. Might add that to the list to consider. Might want to consider reporting "suspicious activity" to local LE. It won't help you if you are attacked but if it's just local low level dealers and petty thieves, increased LE presence for awhile may drive them at least a few blocks over. Also, are you safer parking in a dark garage or on a busy street (if that is a choice)? BGs like dark places out of public view. Good luck making these decisions.

IMHO you have a couple of options:

1. Check with supervisor and get a written version of this policy. Where I work the policy was explained as no weapons on premises. The way the policy actually reads is that you can not have firearms or projectile weapons while on the clock. The policy does not extend to lockers, personal property or if you're off the clock. There was a woman who had a stalker at work the final decision was she could have a knife or keychain that was tough (kubotan) and that was within policy. She carried a pocket knife that was one that used utility blades.

2. if there's a zero tolerance, ask for a definition of a weapon. Some places look at firearms, mace, large knives, etc. Some places have "box cutters" they make pretty good improvised weapons.

3. Also find more than one way to work. I used to walk downtown in my city at times between 3 and 6 am to get to my parking place usually half a mile.

Good luck but hey talk to the other employees never know what may come up.

oneounceload said:

Yep - like the part his JOB said NO GUNS - to paraphrase the loonies here:

"What part of NO guns don't YOU understand?"

THEIR place, their rules - don't like it - go work somewhere else............really - moronic statements advocating breaking the rules and laws are NOT High Road - twist your tinfoil a little tighter why don't you..........

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Recommending the breaking of the LAW is not "High Road" but breaking stupid rules is a different story.

If you're not willing to break the rules and carry a weapon (because I guarantee you that anything even remotely resembling a weapon is going to be verboten if your boss has a no weapons policy. Maybe you can get away with a CRKT Tactical Pen), then I would recommend you either find another job or just suck it up and live with the risk (maybe spend your gun money on better life insurance).

The only other option I can think of is see if you can find a nice Krav Maga school.

I agree with the cane " Long walk, bad knee boss, sorry, I will keep it out of the walkways so no-one trips on it"

Tactical Pen is a good idea too, but I prefer something with reach.

Really innocent item is a good stout umbrella...who wants to walk in the rain? Who really wants to get the snot beat out of them with an umbrella? Some models conceal a short knife as well (check for legality)

A tight rolled magazine or newspaper protrudeing from a purse or a briefcase can do quite a bit of damage as well.

Always approach your car with key in hand, and at least get a small keychain light so you can find the keyhole quicker. Keys also make a great weapon.

Small squirt bottle of ammonia or bleach, just make sure it is small enough to put away, yet has enough pressure to shoot several yards.

Remember also that a pocketknife is not a weapon, it is a tool. Carry the largest one the law allows for. He might look on an assisted opening blade of any size as a weapon, get one with a good thumb action and practice by stabbing cantalopes (you would be suprised how hard it is to properly stab someone, I know I was)

IF you do have an incedent, and you choose to fight back go for soft area's, throat, groin, eyes, gut. Don't use the umbrella like a BAT!! Its a standoff device! Thrust with it! Same if you choose a cane (unless its the cold steel model, MLB banned it) , nothing is worse than swinging and destroying your only weapon!

Nothing is foolproof, even if you had a gun your still not safe, we all know that, its why we carry in the first place, and train, and develop stratagems that we hope will help us when TSHTF in our daily lives. Haveing a firearm only helps you if you don't attempt to avoid the situations in which you need it.

I helped teach a womens self defense course in college, mostly I was the "BG" actor, I got kicked in the stones alot, and beat on (alot), more than I did any instructing because I am not the best teacher in the world. I can take a lick though. The instructor used to say to our class "The key thing to remember is the Suprise factor, don't be suprised to run into trouble, and when you do, make sure that trouble is suprised that you made the preperations that make YOU the REAL TROUBLE!" It saved my life and my ex's life one night.

I recently took a job that does not allow any weapons of any kind...

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Do they have a magnetometer or do a pat-down search as you enter the building?

No?

No problem.

Recommending the breaking of the LAW is not "High Road" but breaking stupid rules is a different story.

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If you're not breaking the law, then YOU decide whether the risk and consequences of being unarmed if attacked out-weigh the risk of being terminated if your firearm is discovered somehow.

I second rainbow bob, no metal detector=no problem.

If you choose to follow the policy, maybe something like this?
or one of the Cold Steel canes. The cane is probably a better weapon, but I'm in my late 20's and couldn't pull it off, whereas the umbrella wouldn't get a 2nd look.

But really, I agree with most of the posters on this thread, what they don't know won't hurt them. My health is more important than my job, ymmv.