My Home Was Burglarized

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I followed up with the police department since the gun was snapped into a holster they could dust it for prints. They said there wasn't much of a chance of that to happen. They don't have any interest in trying to help either
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It's sad to see how degenerate our society has become, to the point where the police have such little interest in this kind of robbery.

But then again, the chain of custody was broken on the holster, so from their perspective, it may not have been useable evidence anyway.
 
Would have been nice to at least see if there were prints that could have provided a name at least.

But I agree that it is sad. After I found my wife's Coach purse missing, I received emails with tracking information from two packages of exotic wood that I had purchased for use in making grips. I noticed that the two packages were gone and the delivery confirmation says one was delivered on the Friday and the other on the Saturday. So I called the police dept to submit another supplementary loss report like I did after I realized the gun was stolen. The first time I spoke with someone who sounded like a secretary/receptionist and she took the report over the phone. The second time I called, I spoke with a man who obviously didn't sound anything like a receptionist. I told him I wanted to submit another supplementary loss report. He told me I would have to come to the station and fill one out. I told him I had already completed one by telephone that I should be able to do that again. We went around and around because he apparently didn't think he should have to take a report over the phone. Finally he said fine and "acted" like he was taking the report. I say "acted" because I could tell he wasn't writing anything I said down because he was on to the next question before anyone could have possibly wrote down what I said. My old man retired from a city police force with 31 years of service so I'm don't say this lightly, but cops wonder why they get such a bad reputation.
 
I often worry about who I tell I have guns for this very reason. I won't put an NRA sticker on my car or my house because I don't want to advertise. So as my new American Rifleman arrived in the mail today, I thought "hmmm... I wonder how many shady folks who work at the post office saw the magazine and my attached address". Something to think about.
 
May I suggest you get a PO Box or other type of mailing address for your business? I work from home as well and do not want my clients knowing where I live, so I use a private mailbox at a UPS store.
 
Leaving an unsecured gun out while you were out of town was an exceptionally irresponsible thing to do.
 
And that statement Corporal K is way out of line.
The man's home was feloniously entered by a damn thief.
His castle was LOCKED.
 
Leaving an unsecured gun out while you were out of town was an exceptionally irresponsible thing to do.
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well, I think "exceptionally irresponsible" is a bit of an exaggeration. I know some people who lock their guns up in a safe *all the time* and others who don't. Sure, if your place gets the door kicked in every few months then yeah I'd say it would be, but if you've never been burgled before and you have little reason to suspect you will be, I think locking up everything dangerous every time you leave for a few days is far more than what a "reasonably prudent person" would do. ;)
 
Said more directly than I did earlier. And better.

The number one responsibility of a gun owner is to ensure the weapon doesn't fall into irresponsible hands. Leaving an unsecured weapon out of your immediate control is flat out wrong. Some of you guys are paranoid about potential break ins and then you leave a gun lying around? Maybe gun control for reckless owners is a good idea.
 
Lots of people go out town and tell everyone they know when their leaving and for how long. They also get on Face Book and tell everyone. Face book is a shopping list for a thief.
 
BCC said:
The number one responsibility of a gun owner is to ensure the weapon doesn't fall into irresponsible hands.
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To what end? So locking your house isn't enough? Is a safe not bolted to the floor enough? Safe bolted to the floor? Alarm system? Dog? NONE of those things guarantees that your guns won't get stolen. Sure, more could have been done, but remember who's really the guilty party. The thief.
 
The number one responsibility of a gun owner is to ensure the weapon doesn't fall into irresponsible hands. Leaving an unsecured weapon out of your immediate control is flat out wrong. Some of you guys are paranoid about potential break ins and then you leave a gun lying around? Maybe gun control for reckless owners is a good idea.
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I'm going to have to politely disagree with that. My idea of the number one responsibility of a gun owner is to use that tool to legally, ethically, and responsibily to protect theirs and their family's lives.

Somebody breaks into your secured garage, steals your car, gets in a high speed chase in the stolen car and ends up killing an innocent person or doing major property damage. Happens every day, but I don't see people throwing the term "reckless" in regards to people who have had their car stolen. The same logic can be applied to any object that can kill or cause harm to another person. In my opinion, that's a pretty thin argument to make. If you don't think keeping a gun in your own locked and secured house isn't reasonable then I think there some deeper flaws to that argument. I also don't keep trigger locks or lockable cables on any of my guns either. I'm guess I'm so reckless that I'm almost a borderline danger to society!

And let's face it, in this day and age, if someone wants to steal something bad enough there's really not a lot most of us can do. Be it personal property, personal information, digital information, etc.
 
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To what end? So locking your house isn't enough? Is a safe not bolted to the floor enough? Safe bolted to the floor? Alarm system? Dog? NONE of those things guarantees that your guns won't get stolen. Sure, more could have been done, but remember who's really the guilty party. The thief.
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Well, I think "hanging off a headboard" is NOT secure when not at home.

Personally, 'secured' means locked in a container not easily broken into or removed. Mine's a full-size safe bolted to the floor upstairs.
 
Well, I think "hanging off a headboard" is NOT secure when not at home.
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Agree to disagree. My opinion is that if my home is locked and secured to the best of it's capabilities, I have not performed any action that would be considered "reckless". I think a majority will agree with me.

Now had I left the gun on the headboard and allowed children into my home without securing the gun appropriately, that would be reckless.

It just appears our idea of the meaning of reckless are different. You've made your point and I've made mine. I'm not going to waste time trying to argue who is right or wrong.
 
When we concede that our own locked houses aren't "secure" then the RKBA and 2nd Amendment supporters have already lost the battle.

My personal opinion is that is very dangerous idea to have and let spread, especially among 2nd Amendment supporters.
 
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Agree to disagree. My opinion is that if my home is locked and secured to the best of it's capabilities, I have not performed any action that would be considered "reckless". I think a majority will agree with me.

Now had I left the gun on the headboard and allowed children into my home without securing the gun appropriately, that would be reckless.

It just appears our idea of the meaning of reckless are different. You've made your point and I've made mine. I'm not going to waste time trying to argue who is right or wrong.
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Ok. Agree to disagree. While I enjoy shooting targets and collecting handguns I do recognize the primary function of a pistol is to kill. My job1 is to keep it secure. For you, defense of family takes precedence. Fair enough. Where we disagree is regarding an unsecured gun when you're not at home. I just don't see that situation adding to the defense of family. Oh well.
 
Yeah, absolutes are difficult. My second floor bolted 1000lb safe is not going to be carried out the back door. Could it be broken into? Sure. Right guy, right tools. But I've taken reasonable efforts to keep my weapons out of the hands of criminals.

Most guns used in crimes are illegal guns. Where do you think they come from?

Anyway, gun are a hobby for me, not a god given right. I'm a NRA lifer, but boys, we need to be safe in what we do.
 
Well, I think "hanging off a headboard" is NOT secure when not at home.

Personally, 'secured' means locked in a container not easily broken into or removed. Mine's a full-size safe bolted to the floor upstairs.
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Sorry, I'm not going to put all my guns in a safe every time I leave the house and then take them all out again every time I come back home. Maybe if I went out of town for several weeks but not otherwise.

However, I don't just leave them out in the open. I keep them in drawers and under beds, etc. Sure, wouldn't stop a thief who had 15+ minutes to search, but you can't just look through a window and see 'em.
 
Sorry to hear about your house, I had my house broken into but fortunatly it was before I had moved in and that still bothered me for months.

I feel the need to defend the police a bit, I don't see how you can pull prints off of a holster. The phone reporting is poor customer service.

My thought is the perp came looking for Christmas presents (expensive eletronics) after seeing 2 ups boxes at the front door. Took the gun as a easy oportunity.
 
My gun was not visable from any window in the bedroom. There's not even an angle from any window that the gun could be seen from. The only direction it was in plain view of is from the bedroom door. So a person would have already had to be in the house to see the gun.

But the more I think about not considering a locked house as being "secure", the more that sounds like something you might hear from the Brady Campaign.

Do people need to put The Club on a steering wheel and a boot on their car for it be considered "secure" when it's inside a locked and secured garage? I'm sorry, but if someone stole your car from inside your garage and somebody called you reckless and irresponsible, I think you'd have a thing or two to say about that. The argument shouldn't be different just because we're talking about a gun. Statistically speaking, more people are killed in a year because of a car than because of a gun. So statistically speaking, if you don't secure your vehicle by a means other than putting in a locked garage, that would be more reckless and irresponsible than my situation.
 
Well Olympus I am totally on your side here.
A persons home is their domain and locked is locked.
Is the victim at fault that a felon will stop at nothing to break in and seize their things.
Is it your fault that they also grabbed your check book and went on a check writing spree along with using your credit cards that you had in your home but was not under a locked vault that would do justice to the Federal Reserve????????
Some of you guys need to pull your heads out of your rectums and realize what a perilous position you are sticking gun owners with in your entrenched mindsets.
 
Is it your fault that they also grabbed your check book and went on a check writing spree along with using your credit cards that you had in your home but was not under a locked vault
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Great point. That's a dangerous road to go down when we concede that a locked home isn't enough to be considered secure and it's slippery slope. It's a shame that culture has lead some to believe that locking your doors isn't enough. It should be more than enough. It's almost disheartening to hear that kind of thing coming from a fellow gun owner.
 
People turning the victim into the bad guy isn't something I expected to see here.
Someone kicks in a man's locked door and steals his things, and it's his fault. Wow! Really?
 
Im sure after recent events you may not be inclined to say or may have already posted this, but what state do you live in. I ask, because it would effect how the thief may try and sell the gun if that is what he may choose to do. If its a state that allows Face to face sales then maybe a regular citizen will buy the gun and try to register it.
 
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