300 yard FAL accuracy

Absolutely not.

What he said.

Nope. More like sub-5 inches.

Are you thinking sub .5 MOA? That would be a < 1.5" group at 300. That would still probably be out of the reach of a FAL. Also pretty much all autoloaders and most bolt guns, as well.

Uh, no.

How many precision bolt rifles are capable of that kind of accuracy?

Is this to settle some gunstore idiot's claim?

Even on a machine rest, an FN Fal will not EVER make that kind of group, I'd doubt my boltguns of being able to do that and those are very accurate.

no, i have to agree with others, while I love that fal, it won';t do that! As others said, many boltb guns wont!, Asking too much, I'd day!

ron

I will be happy if my bolt guns can do 0.5" group at 50 yds.

I want my guns to have minute of animal I am shooting at.

What would that be, 1/6 MOA?

Has anyone here ever actually seen a rifle shoot a 1/6 MOA group?

No possible way any FAL in existence could do it... or any semi-auto, for that matter.

MOA is about 3.14 inches at 300 yards. As henschman pointed out, a .5in group at 300 yards is about 1/6 MOA. I have never heard of an FAL putting up groups like that.

No, Fal's were not built to be tack drivers. A couple MOA is more than enough to hit a person at 300 yards, that's what they were built for. Nothing more.

For that kind of accuracy your going to need one heck of a bolt gun, Sako maybe, Accuracy International, etc.

remington 870 shotgun, 1 moa touching at 100 yards? And an ACOG is far from a precision sight for 300 yard shooting dont you think?

I say your FAL is not capable of shooting two five-shot groups of two inches at 100 yards when the groups are fired back-to-back, and the rounds are fed from the magazine by the normal gas operation of the bolt.

What the majority of posters have said is correct. The FAL just is not mechanically capable of that sort of accuracy with any sort of consistency at all. Even if you take the shooter, optics, and ammo out of the equation, its still extremely unlikley if not impossible. What exerpeince do you have with this rifle that makes you think your expected groups would be a reasonable expectation? ANy at all? While you may be accurate enough with your other firearms, that doesn't mean squat when the rifle itself is incapable of such accuracy. The best shooter in the world isn't going to change a gun that is only capable of shooting 2 inch, 100 yard groups into one that shoots .5 in groups with skill alone.

Has anyone here ever actually seen a rifle shoot a 1/6 MOA group?

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I have. A number of them actually. All of them are from benchrest shooting competition, i.e. using a "railgun" with a barrel that makes a bull barrel look like a pencil. Ammo is generally reloaded on the spot for the day's conditions. It is possible, but it's not practical.

I can believe that Motega is doing fairly small groups with a rifled-barrel shotgun shooting sabot slugs. That's effectively just a large bore rifle. And what's he's describing isn't sub-MOA anyway.

Yup, mine does it every shot....

Motega, it sounds like you don't really understand the concept of the "cone of dispersion" of a group, and how MOA are used to measure it. If you can shoot a 1" group at 100 yards, it doesn't mean you will also shoot a 1" group at 300 yards, even if you take all external ballistics like wind out of the equation. Your groups expand at a uniform rate as the range increases, producing a cone extending out into space within which your bullets impact. Basically, range magnifies any tinly little variation in rifle movement or bullet flight path. A tiny fraction of an inch movement of your muzzle can result in you missing your point of aim by several feet at 100 yards, and you will miss by twice as many feet at 200 yards. That is because you are changing the ANGLE that your barrel is pointed toward the target, and the distance between the rays of an angle increase as distance from the vertex increases. So when shooters are trying to measure their accuracy, they are really trying to measure the angle of the cone of dispersion within which their bullets strike. That's where Minutes of Angle come in. A minute of angle is 1/60 of a degree. It is almost exactly 1" per 100 yards.

This is much better explained with diagrams and such. Come to an Appleseed if you want to get a better explaination of it, and of how to use it to sight in a rifle at any range with just one adjustment. You will also learn a lot about the fundamentals of rifle marksmanship.

About the ACOG... A FAL with an ACOG would be a great battle rifle, and could easily be relied on to put down 2-legged varmints out to 600 yards or more. The ACOG reticle is designed for quick hits on man-sized targets at unknown distances. They have exceptionally clear glass and are tough as nails. But they aren't particularly high magnification, and their reticles aren't really designed for precision. Not to say you can't shoot some very precise groups with an ACOG... my ACOG'ed M1A has put up some 1 MOA groups with surplus ammo... but they aren't really optimized for precision. Kind of like how a 24x target scope wouldn't be optimized for combat from close quarters out to 600 yards, like an ACOG is.

Given match grade ammo and superb optics, and discounting user error does anyone think a FAL is capable of sub .5" groups at 300 yards?

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Not even dedicated High Power rifles are capable of sub .5" groups at 300 yards.

You are talking about shooting 1/6 MOA groups.

To get a rifle that will consistantly shoot near 1 inch groups at 300 yards would require spending several thousand dollars on a bolt action rifle and glass.