Why is the sig p250 so inexpensive?

You seem to be unable to deal with the fact other people do not like Sig's current offerings.

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About as much as you hate they do, and it seems a fair number still do.

What do you suppose the odds are of me looking at any SIG thread and finding something from you in the negative posted there?

If I posted there, it would likely be in the possitive, well, except for the P238. That thing was a pig, but we can both go talk to somene I know on here that will give us a good argument otherwise.

You site you single data points of the guns you own like the Mosquito and the P250 and proclaim them good as if your singular experience is universal.

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I normally base things on what I have and my experiences with them, not what others tell me. I have good ones, and you seem mad that I do. What, thats my fault? Would you prefer I jump on the bandwagon with you and cry about every little thing you dont like about them? Oh, wait, let me think....

Before you attempted to make this a personal issue between you and I..

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Might want to read back and think on that.

The best you can say about them is that they are not bad for the price.

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Yup, I said that, and I still think its a good deal for the money. What, half price is bad now? Its not because SIG is doing it, is it? They MUST be up to something! I think we need another ATF report to sort it all out.

I've heard the mixed reviews on the Sig P250, which is why in part I'm really excited for Sig to be getting these into my hands to test. The only way to sort reality from internet chatter is to actually shoot the guns and see what kind of failures I get

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Look forward to hear how it goes.

If and when they ever release the "actual" results and problems, this report might have some validity. Until then, it will just remain what it is, and however you want to interpret it. Mostly, its used and quoted as some sort of bible by those who dont like the gun, and want to ram it down your throat as some kind of evidence or proof. it was kicked out of the trials because of malfuntions--what more "validity" do you need?

Personally, from experience with people shooting mine, I think youre going to find most of the problems were user error, and something easily rectified with a little instruction and use glad you like yours

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....13 of which were considered to be gun-induced

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These must have been shooter error too. LOL

These must have been shooter error too. LOL

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right! those silly feds don't know how to shoot them right lol

what more "validity" do you need

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Id simply like to see something a little less vague. That report is like saying "the plane crashed due to "malfunctions" ". Will that suffice for your decision the next time you choose to get on a plane?

glad you like yours

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Yea, me too.

These must have been shooter error too. LOL

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Well, what exactly were they? Seems like a reasonable question to me.

Then again, if the shooter with the "error" said "the thing a ma bob here didnt let the who ja whatsie do its thing", that might take a little credibility away from the tester. Or Not.

Thats "my" problem with the report, if you have a link that explains things in a little more detail than "just because", Id really like to see it, as Im sure others would.

You always have all the poop and stats on everything SIG related, especially anything "bad", how is it youre lacking on this? Your not starting to slip now, are you?

The main I hate point is the trigger? Sounds like the s&w sigma downfall.

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The difference is that the Sigma was designed to be extremely cheap and actually has an OK trigger if it wasn't so hard of a pull (which can be fixed pretty easily).

I've fired both the Sigma and P250, as well as other Sigs and S&W autos. The P250 has a very smooth pull, but it is longer even than DAO revolvers. IMO one of the largest drawbacks was that it was TOO light of a pull--I found myself short-stroking it and not allowing it to reset (and I am accustomed to shooting DA revolvers).

I think Sig messed up in three areas:

1.)Making the trigger pull weight too light in an attempt to cover up the fact that it was horrendously long, resulting in short stroking and failures to reset

2.)Making a modular gun with accessories that cost as much as new guns (when its main competition was a Glock that could change calibers with a $120 barrel and a new mag)

3.)Making the thing sound better than it was. I was under the impression that with one frame you could shoot 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP (the latter being single stack) with a simple barrel and mag swap.

Come to think of it, I can't think of a time when any well-regarded manufacturer has put out a product that cost half of what their others did and had it succeed particularly well. There is a reason companies make off-shoot names to release cheaper products.

The difference is that the Sigma was designed to be extremely cheap and actually has an OK trigger if it wasn't so hard of a pull (which can be fixed pretty easily).

I've fired both the Sigma and P250, as well as other Sigs and S&W autos. The P250 has a very smooth pull, but it is longer even than DAO revolvers. IMO one of the largest drawbacks was that it was TOO light of a pull--I found myself short-stroking it and not allowing it to reset (and I am accustomed to shooting DA revolvers).

I think Sig messed up in three areas:

1.)Making the trigger pull weight too light in an attempt to cover up the fact that it was horrendously long, resulting in short stroking and failures to reset

2.)Making a modular gun with accessories that cost as much as new guns (when its main competition was a Glock that could change calibers with a $120 barrel and a new mag)

3.)Making the thing sound better than it was. I was under the impression that with one frame you could shoot 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP (the latter being single stack) with a simple barrel and mag swap.

Come to think of it, I can't think of a time when any well-regarded manufacturer has put out a product that cost half of what their others did and had it succeed particularly well. There is a reason companies make off-shoot names to release cheaper products.

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Well stated...

A lot of Sigophiles don't like it for the price point if nothing else. I mean, really Chauncey, if it does not cost $800 it can not be any good, right?

It has the smoothest DA pull of any Sig I have ever owned (count that as 9). Surprising so many Sig shooters could never master a wheelie.

And in the name of all that is Holy, if the gov't says something, well, it must be true.

A lot of Sigophiles don't like it for the price point if nothing else. I mean, really Chauncey, if it does not cost $800 it can not be any good, right?

It has the smoothest DA pull of any Sig I have ever owned (count that as 9). Surprising so many Sig shooters could never master a wheelie.

And in the name of all that is Holy, if the gov't says something, well, it must be true.

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People really amaze me. It has nothing to do with price point. If you know anything about the history of the P250 you know it was a $650 gun when it was introduced. So obviously since your starting argument is price snobbery you are ignorant of that fact.

The reason I did not like it was because it was very unSig like. It has almost none of the characteristics I like about Sigs. I love how people like you assume that if you do not like it you can't shoot it. I shot just fine with it after about 50 round but it was not to my liking. I preferred other guns. Why on earth would anyone own something they did not enjoy when the marketplace is full of other options?

The # 1 reason P250s are selling so cheap is because that is the price point they can get someone to buy them at. They need to be priced under the Glock, M&P and the XD to even be considered. If they could get more they would be charging more. Its that simple.

Ive been reading the many threads on this gun.For those that have one,how is the reliability?durable?newbie minds like myself wanna know.

I just did a first impression/range report on the gun. My report is a little long but you will be rewarded with a photo at the end I can only atttest to 150rounds so the jury is still way out on durability and long term reliability, but so far so good.

Rellascout is absolutely correct. That's where SIG had to price them to sell them. If they could get more for them they would.

The price has been reduced by $250. to $275. ~ What does that tell you?

Who were these agents that had "45 shooter-induced stoppages"

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I've had several user-induced stoppages with my Glocks. The most common is when I accidentally flip up the slide lock under recoil. 45 shooter errors out of 20 shooters is only 2 a piece.

But IIRC, the Glock had something like 8 total with only 1 that wasn't user induced. And the M&P only had around 13 total malfunctions, only 5 or so that weren't user induced. The difference was pretty big considering the potential consequences.

With proper training would the user-induced errors be an issue? Maybe not. But they didn't decide on their firearms based solely on those numbers. People plain don't like the P250. That's all.

If they could get more they would be charging more. Its that simple.

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+1. When it first came out, I recall it cost over $500.00. Back then it cost more than a Glock. And isn't this the gun they were trying to sell caliber changes for, for ~ $400.00? Even back then (when it was assumed "it's SIG, it's good") this didn't make any sense to anyone, unless for a foreign country where you can only own a limited number of firearms. Or was this the SIG P2022? Oh, I can't keep them straight.

When the 250 came out, I was interested. I checked it out and was not really impressed with it. For less than the SIG price, Glock was making a much better gun and I already had a Glock...or four. I remember the 2022 impressing me more than the 250 at the time.

With the current pricing, it's not a bad choice depending on what you want to do with the gun. Most of us never put our guns through torture testing. Most of us give our guns adequate attention when it comes to cleaning. Most of us don't shoot thousands of rounds a year through our guns. Under such conditions, the SIG 250 would be fine--as would almost all the guns currently on the market.

With the current pricing, it's not a bad choice depending on what you want to do with the gun. Most of us never put our guns through torture testing. Most of us give our guns adequate attention when it comes to cleaning. Most of us don't shoot thousands of rounds a year through our guns. Under such conditions, the SIG 250 would be fine--as would almost all the guns currently on the market.

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So true on so many levels.

It's a market. Usual cause for relatively low price are low sales/overstock, low cost of manufacture (and even that won't prevent high prices for popular, rare items), and promotional pricing (loss leader to prime the pump by getting a few out there). Take your pick.

If you like it and have spare dough, get one. Remember how everyone was thrrowing away their Smith & Wessons right after the Clinton deal? Picked up some great guns that year!

I understand SIG's emphasis on the unique nature of the modular system but recent history should have forewarned them that resistance to just the fact that the gun is polymer would be problematical. It's just recently that the SigPro series is starting to get the respect that I would argue it deserves. Add to that predictable resistance the rocky start that it had with the first generation guns and the pricing issue it's surprising that the gun is doing as well as it is.

Speaking of the first gen guns, I did a comaprison of my 2nd gen to some excellent photos of a 1st gen in a gun mag. Talk about a major re-design. SIG changed a heck of a lot. Hopefully after the P250 and P238 SIG has learned a major lesson: get it right the first time.

I had one in .40 didn't like it..got one in 9mm and love it