Wonderful "Crude" Guns

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I had a Norinco Tokarev clone in 9mm that would fit the bill. I don't know if they were all like this but mine looked like it was run over by a lawnmower. Between that and the horrible safety I finally sold it. It worked good though, never jammed and was pretty accurate considering the tiny sights. I just got tireed of having a carry gun I couldn't carry with a round chambered.
 
I had an RG10, so I can vouch for crude. It was .22 short, but I figured out that if I clipped the nose off a long rifle, it would just barely allow the cylinder to turn. Stopped doing it when a second chamber fired along with the one aligned with the barrel.
 
Can't say I'd agree with the "crude" premise in regard to the Carcano. OTOH, "ugly" is another thing. Don't forget this arm was issued in both rifle and carbine versions.

I've shot them and they shot where aimed. The trigger was purely military functional as were the bolt fit and action but all functioned without problem. >MW
 
Yes! The MP38 and latter variants! Not the luxury and sophistication you expect from German engineering BUT innovative and utilitarian. IMHO they were STILL looked nicer than a Grease Gun and definitely more handsome than a Sten Gun.
 
Also, we just simply CANNOT talk about these guns without mentioning some of their ergonomic solutions/improvements.

"These MACs shoot at a high ROF. It makes the muzzle climb up alot."
"Here attach this little strap under the barrel and pull down, ya' crybaby."

"The Sten guns get very hot and you can't hold the front end."
"Hold it by the magazine, you bloody puff."

"I can't pull the trigger on my Nagant Revolver."
"WEAK Capitalist Pig!" (Followed by strike to head.)

"The welds on my MAT-49 are rough and cutting my hand."
"Do not worry. We surrender at dawn." (Just Kidding!)
 
You can't get much more crude than the Richardson "Guerrilla Gun", a post-war shotgun designed along the lines of Phillipine "paltik" guns; these are simply "slam-guns", where you drop a cartridge in the removable barrel, pull the barrel sharply back against a fixed firing-pin, and the shot and wad leaves the barrel before the pressure can blow the two halves of the gun apart.
 

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The crudest was one I made at 12 yrs of age. I bent a galvanized pipe into a pistol shape, filed a notch in it back by the bend, dropped an M-80 down the pipe, fished the fuse out with a bent wire, wrapped a steel bearing in paper and rammed it down the pipe. I lit the fuse, pointed it at a friend about 50' away, kicked like crazy, missed him by a mile and had the bearing bury 2" in a poplar tree. My first and only attempt where no blood was spilled.
 
that derringer is cool
makes me think of that "kill stick" they made on sons of guns
 
Good thing you didn't actually hit your friend!

Zip guns and homemade cannons aside, what else are some of your favorite crude guns?

The Liberator is about as crude as they come for a "production" modern firearm. I couldn't imagine using one even for it's intended use, unless I was within arms reach of an enemy and they were all alone.
 
figured id mention the crudest of the crude, the cigerette gun

basically it was a piece of metal pipe, wired down to a stock made of a split 2x4, with a hole drilled near the back of the pipe

drop in loose powder, paper for a wad, and what ever objects you had on hand for a projectile, take a match and put it to the touch hole, or a lit cigarette(hence the name)

they where homemade, but, it had to be mentioned

also, the welrod pistol was mostly stamped metal, and it looks simple enough to make
 
Back when they were common.....

.........H&R and NEF .22 revolvers were considered crude compared to their S&W and Colt counterparts. But now they're sought after due to their all steel, rugged construction. Auction site prices reflect this. I have a NEF R92 that is a literal tack driver and a H&R Sportsman that isn't quite as good but close. The 999 may not be as good as the other but the "Wow! that's cool!" factor in the kid's eyes when you break it open and fling the spent shells is....well......priceless! ( Aw, c'mon, you knew where this was goin'!;))
 
I once mated a .22lr barrel I found at a junk yard to a wooden grip off of an old wood working tool for a lathe. Added a sling shot top with a radiator clamp and rivets to the leather pouch. I used it for most of a summer when I was 8 until dad caught me shootin rats in the barn with it.
 
My first was an H&R 20ga single shot Topper, still have it and most people I knew when I was a kid had a single shot shotgun used for everything.

Same here except in 16 gauge. I got it on my 12th birthday. Brand new it was 40 bucks. It was my only hunting weapon until I was 20 years old or so....I still take it out and bust clays with it every now and then.
 
I think the Owen is kinda cool lookin.' I mentioned it in one of the very early posts. Unfortunately, I have only seen them in pictures. Top feed guns like the Owen, Bren and early Lewis guns have always been interesting to me.
 
Yikes! (I think that's more of an "attempt to" copy.)

You may be better protected with a regular broom handle (as in the wooden stick) than that hideous thing.
 
How about the Southern (Tenn) made copy of the Thompson called the Volunteer Commando, and the Western (AZ) made version called the Apache ?
 
I'm thinkin' the Spanish Ruby (a simplified copy of the 1903 Browning) fits the definition of crude. Dozens of companies in the Basque region of Spain were manufacturing these During WW1, and even though the specifications were the same, the parts weren't even interchangeable between manufacturers. Some of these pistols fired when the safety was moved from safe to fire, and some went fully automatic. The sample below has a rivet installed in the slide to prevent the safety from disengaging during holstering. I made a new firing pin on the lathe, and a slide disconnector pawl from a discarded circular saw blade. It runs like a champ, but it will never achieve CCW status!

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