Looking for a new safe

Check out amazon.com, I got a fairly nice stack on elite for around 5 to 600 less then anywhere else, plus it had free curb side shipping. All and all it seems to be a nice safe and was right at $1000.

Check out : http://www.amsecusa.com/Gun_Safes/
I have an older one of these (forget model # ) 60" H X 34" W X 32" D.
I has "old School" combination lock and 6 pins. Not fire resistant, though. Holds 12 long guns.

I had to move it once.. :banghead: Very heavy. Took the door off and brought help along with me. Still tough aligning the door back on hinges .

Anyway, nice quality, smooth locking mechanism. Might have been around $1200 range new several years ago.

Revolver;

I'd suggest doing a search here for the term "RSC" - Residential Security Container - that's what's available in the budget range you've mentioned. There are substantial differences between RSC's and true safes, and it'll probably help to know what they are. Basically, the term "safe" is meaningless in the current U.S. market. Your salesman could scotch tape six business cards together & secure the "door" with a bent pin & legally sell it to you as a "safe" if you were so inclined to buy. There is no legal construction requirement, that I'm aware of and I'm in the business, to meet to market anything as a "safe".

However, there are some very real differences in the construction levels of various RSC's, and it helps to know what to look for.

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patriots safe's?

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The ones "made in the USA", but can't tell you where (for security reasons), and whos parent company is a huge asian safe importer?

Sturdy safe company.

Outstanding no frills safes.

For not much more, you could get into a true B rate safe. It is stronger than the AMSEC BF series in many respects, but costs less. The AMSEC is also a good choice. Both offer protection from fire and burglary that is usually not provided by gun safes.

I heard alot about AMSEC, how many people who those here?

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They are currently the largest safe manufacturer in the world. Lots of people have them.

How much do they run for? the site doesn't list prices. Have to call. I could always check locally at the shops for them insteed of ordering.

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Always check locally first. Having a local contact can be invaluable if you need it moved, serviced, or repaired in the future.

I have prices on the AMSEC here:

http://zykansafe.com/amsecgunsafes.html

And for comparison, prices on our B rates here:

http://zykansafe.com/brategunsafes.html

Do they have the dial ones, non electronic?

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Both

it says UL listed, Residential security container? I thought RSC safes where no good? and wanted a TRUE safe? I am confused.

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It's not that a RSC isn't good, it's that the testing process means very little. A safe with that label shouldn't be judged on the label, or lack thereof. You should look at how the safe is constructed.

You won't find a "real safe", in a gun safe package for $1,500. I just patched a hole in a real safe, and the materials alone cost me over $900.

Which would you recommend?

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The B rate has a stronger body, supported bolt work, locks on all four sides, and has remote mounted glass relockers. There are only a few people selling these safes, so the odds of you having a local dealer are pretty slim.

The AMSEC has a stronger door (solid plate as opposed to cumulative), nicer interiors, and more paint options. The AMSEC looks nicer. The AMSEC may be available from a local dealer.

From a fire standpoint, they should both be close to equal. From a burglary standpoint, the B rate is a bit more robust than the AMSEC.

A picture of the Group 2 on the web shows a keyhole? does this have a combolock plus a keyhole? or is a keyhole turn to open?

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You're probably looking at a key locking dial. They are popular on gun safes, but don't really provide much in the terms of additional security. Many owners don't use them at all.

Oh this was posted by you lol... Please explain this I am confused..

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In short, real fire rated safes use cast insulation. Both the B rate, and the AMSEC use cast insulations. Although they are not UL rated, they are going to be about as close as you can get at this point to having a gun safe that will provide above average fire protection.

If you're looking at anything locally, and have other questions, feel free to come back and post them.

LIberty!

I Vote for LIberty safes myself! You can check for a dealer near you...did not see your location.

There are others and I even believe that Liberty builds safes for such as Harley Davidson, Browning, etc...

They are just top notch! (MO)

I bought a Liberty Lincoln earlier this year. I absolutely love it. Plus its got the best warranty in the business!

I have 3 Browning safes and I would recommend the Browning. 2 are regular non fireproof, and one is fireproof. The Browning has removeable doors. It's a big help if you're going upstairs with the safe. It took 3 of us to get the fireproof safe up stairs without the door on it! If you're handy, you can make a fireproof safe with 2 layers of fireproof sheet rock-on the inside. Good luck! Bob

If fire resistance is not necessary and especially if space is tight, check out Zanotti modular safes that can be assembled in place. They are not bank vaults but are reasonably priced - www.zanottiarmor.com.

Jim